My New Ross Rifle

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I just acquired a Ross rifle amidst a pile of guns that my grandfather left to me after he passed away. He passed away last November and the guns weren't found until this past week, as they were in the trunk of his collector car. I'm just trying to get a gauge on the date of manufacture of this firearm. The serial # is 544X, upon searching online I have not found any M-10 rifles with a low serial # like this. Would this be made right at the beginning of production? It also appears to be marked "FLY" or something like that above the serial #, but I can't quite make it out for sure. here is a link to a picture with all the markings on the top of the barrel and action.
https://picasaweb.google.com/107585233943155408977/M10RossRifle#5734431109871859810
Please let me know any info on this. Thanks

Steve
 
PLY. That and the serial were applied when the rifle was used by the Royal Navy.
The Canadian serial and other marks would have been stamped on the right side of the butt.
 
Ok, good to know. I can't find anything on the butt. The rifle has been sporterized, can't tell if the wood was refinished or not. Would the Canadian serial # stamp most likely get sanded off if the stock was refinished?
 
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It has only been in the last few years when we took and interest in the markings that we found out the answers to the previous ownership of these rifles.

In e-mails and phone calls to the Royal Marines Museum, in Plymouth, England, the Curator was kind enough to have one of his staff do some research into the Ross Rifles.

PLY is believed to be the Royal Marines Depot at Plymouth.
CRB is believed to be the Royal Marines Depot at Crombie.
PHAB is believed to be the Royal Navy Ammunitioning Depot at Priddies Hard.

Check on Milsurps.com regarding the proper assembly of the bolt. Also, there have been several posts here on that subject. If the bolt is assembled wrong, it can cause serious injury to you when you fire it.
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(From the Sock Closet, mumbling:)

Rifles such as yours, Stevie, we believe are some of the rifles which were kept by the RN/RMLI after the end of the Great War. They appear to be the rifles enumerated on the famed Weedon List between the Wars. These rifles were kept in store and rooted out again during the Second Global Unpleasantness (1939 - 1945), used again and finally, after the War was over, sold off as surplus rather inexpensively to the Trade.

The British gunmaking Trade promptly took these elegant old warhorses and made them into Sporters for sale in North America, specifically here, where the Ross had at least a few adherants. Britain had gone broke, technically bankrupt, in 1940/41 and needed hard currency desperately. Your rifle was a tiny part of that effort.

So the rifles were sold off very reasonably and dispersed and nobody asked what those markings on them might be. It is only in the last 2 years that collectors and students, friend Buffdog at their fore, have managed to put together precisely what some of the British RN/RMLI markings might be for. In this, we have had great co-operation from collectors and students all over the world: Australia, New Zealand, all across Canada, Great Britain itself, and from the existing Museums, notably the Royal Marines Light Infantry Museum in PLYmouth (where your rifle once served; that rifle in Buffdog's bottom picture COULD be yours!).

They were sold (here) as inexpensive sporters and they all shot very well when they were sold. The Ross is one of the most accurate rifles ever designed and built. The action is THE strongest ever made. The triggers ARE utterly superb. I really can't say ENOUGH good things about them. The PROBLEM with them is HUMANS. People heard the stories, the outright lies, the fabrications which continue in print to this day in "responsible" historical works and in the popular press. The Ross Rifle has been slagged mercilessly as has NO other rifle made.

The problem is that they just keep on shooting wonderfully if you feed them what they want.

Yes, the stocks were sanded, removing the factory and issue markings from Canadian military service. If you go to the local Dollar Store or what-have-you, you can get a BLACK LIGHT bulb for under $1. When you use it, shield your eyes from the direct rays; it is very powerful UV light. But when the original markings were stamped, the wood UNDER the visible markings was compressed. This often SHOWS UP when UV is shone upon the woodwork. This is a standard technique used in detecting fakes of old books, postage stamps, paper money..... and it works on old rifle stocks (some of them) and it costs only a buck to try it.

Your next job is to clean Grandpa's old Ross Rifle up, load some super-consistent Match ammo..... and get out there and have a lot of fun and help us to restore the reputation of the Finest Military Bolt Rifle Ever Produced: the Canadian Ross. After all, it is PROOF of what Canadians can do when they work TOGETHER: designed by a Scot, made in QUEBEC CITY on the Plains of Abraham.... and it beat the WORLD a century ago, setting scores which STILL have not been exceeded.

Welcome to the Wonderful World of Ross Rifles!

(mutter, mutter..... from the Sock Closet)
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(Mumbling from the Sock Closet:)

COSMIC: Welcome to the Club! We now have TWO Plymouth RMLI Rosses added to our list in a single day! Thank you!

Can you post a photo of the rear-sight on your rifle? It would be greatly appreciated.

Recorded serials on the rifles at hand range from well UNDER 1000 to just over 6000, so we can begin reconstructng just how many were issued from there. The original records, many of them, were shredded or burnt in the 1920s and even more after 1945. We are working with the RMLI Museum in an attempt to record as many of these existing rifles as we can.

BTW, we can all look forward to some Very Exciting News from both Winnipeg and from Plymouth, likely later this Summer. No hints, but, to a real historian or collector, just a bit of an Earth-shaker!

(Mumble, mumble........)
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