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I've been noticing that Brownells and Treeline M14 will not ship stripped USGI M14 Bolts anymore. Can someone please PM me a source that I can reliably acquire one?

Cheers
 
Try Armtac, he is the Vltor and LRB dealer here.
Not sure if the bolts he advertises are usgi, but quality bolts are availlable from LRB thru armtac
Usgi bolts are now UBER rare in canada and I've seen guys trying to sell them for upwards of 450.!!
 
Back when real M-14's were $299.00, I had several including a 4 pack off all the different makers fromLever Arms. Every one I had and every one I have seen from those imports from Isreal had TRW bolts in them. This tells me that the Winchester , Springfield and H&R bolts were replaced by the Israelies. I wonder why? Perhaps all U.S.G.I. bolts are not created equal?
 
buckbrush said:
Back when real M-14's were $299.00, I had several including a 4 pack off all the different makers fromLever Arms. Every one I had and every one I have seen from those imports from Isreal had TRW bolts in them. This tells me that the Winchester , Springfield and H&R bolts were replaced by the Israelies. I wonder why? Perhaps all U.S.G.I. bolts are not created equal?
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Yes, USGI means that these bolts have met the specification... it's all USGI.. that's what matters. In the meantime, we used to buy and sell them for $ 35 back in 1989 at Toronto gunshows. :eek:

And of course (here it comes... you predicted it) ; if you don't have a USGI bolt, yer #### will fall :eek: off!

Cheers and peace be to journey!

Barney
 
there are far more winchesters and H&R's with h&r and winnie bolts still intact and with isreali markings. The bolts I see the fewest are SA and trw.
Some guys would cringe if they knew how many I've had the pleasure to resurect on norinco, springfield and LRB receivers :D
As hungry says, USGI is USGI and as a guy who builds these things, TRW is only worth more to those who buy into the so called "trw mystique"

True, in that era of manufacturing, Saco Lowell and TRW were contracted and they were some of the few set up with the latest air guaged machining. Some of the most respected M14 gurus/builders in the US actually prefer H&R parts over others.

A usgi bolt is a usgi bolt ;)
 
The bolts I've aquired over the past few years since the border tightened up and canadians were no longer openly welcome at US gunshows and shops, have been from complete rifles or parts kits bought from private owners in canada.
US policy and the dwindling number of 12-3 M14's in canada, make a supply and demand situation for sought after parts.

Supply and demand have always dictated price in every marketplace. Personally I would not pay a penny more than 375.00 for a usgi bolt on the ee. I've seen the recently as high as 450.00 and my cash stays firmly in my pocket LOL

Ask yourself, why do I need a usgi bolt?
We have typically gone this route to achieve "match .308" headspace NOT because a GI bolt is somehow "better" than a norc one.
Then there's those who aren't happy till every part is upgraded. Yes, it increases value, BUT does it make the rifle any better? This is absolutely debatable.

My advice for what it's worth is do the basic tune ups and shoot her. If yer under 3" for 5 round groups at 100 , spend your money on quality ammo or reloading gear and shrink your groups.
Far easier that banging heads on walls trying to find a deal on parts that might not do squat for your groups.

How much is a 1/2" or 1" shrinkage of groups worth to you?
I would look to a short chambered match barrel, fitted with your existing parts as the smartest route to go for the $$$ spent.
 
Exactly what M14doctor just mentioned... I have had success fitting a Norinco bolt to a short chambered match barrel. We test fired that combination and the chamber was 0 Thou or 1.630" (I abhor getting too technical on you newbies) and I was super pleased.

The norc bolts are hard enough for any of your match or hunting purposes. No reason to upgrade unless that money is burning a hole in your pocket. :eek: And (you knew it was coming...) yer #### feels like it might fall off!

You want a tighter headspace for match shooting and reloading? Then spend the money on a new match barrel and have your local expert chamber that barrel with your Norc/Poly/762mmfirearms bolt to minimum safe SAAMI specs. You will be most happy & yer #### will be secure! :D

No need to rush out and buy a USGI bolt! Leave them for me.... ha ha ha ha :evil:

:cheers:

Barney
 
Could someone please set me straight on what USGI really means? I see this term gets often used and I'm not sure what the proper meaning is.

Does USGI mean that a given part was in fact produced for military service, or does it just mean that it was built to the proper spec for military sevice? As an example, would a new production Fulton Armory Gen II Bolt, be considered a USGI bolt?

Hungry said:
Yes, USGI means that these bolts have met the specification... it's all USGI.. that's what matters. In the meantime, we used to buy and sell them for $ 35 back in 1989 at Toronto gunshows. :eek:

And of course (here it comes... you predicted it) ; if you don't have a USGI bolt, yer #### will fall :eek: off!

Cheers and peace be to journey!

Barney
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United States Government Issue.

So USGI are parts manufactured for the US gov't by approved contractors.

Aftermarket parts such as fulton would not technically be USGI parts
 
USGI = "United States Government Issue". It means what it says. If it was bought by the US Government as an approved part with an NSN from an NCAGE supplier and a US DoD life-cycle material manager looking after the Contract and intended for issue to the US military, it is USGI.

Everything else is not.
 
Thanks for the clarification. That's what I thought. It does seem that the term is often used loosley, and incorrectly.

I <3 M14 said:
United States Government Issue.

So USGI are parts manufactured for the US gov't by approved contractors.

Aftermarket parts such as fulton would not technically be USGI parts
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I bought mine from 7.62 last year.

It came fully assembled. $235.00 I think...I posted the results a while back. Contact them and check. They were a bit of a pain to deal with, as they are not the most organized bunch, but the product was second to none. They responded quickly with the roller issue (which turned out to be the norky op rod) in sending my replacement rollers and retaining clip.
 
M14Doctor said:
The bolts I've aquired over the past few years since the border tightened up and canadians were no longer openly welcome at US gunshows and shops, have been from complete rifles or parts kits bought from private owners in canada.
US policy and the dwindling number of 12-3 M14's in canada, make a supply and demand situation for sought after parts.

Supply and demand have always dictated price in every marketplace. Personally I would not pay a penny more than 375.00 for a usgi bolt on the ee. I've seen the recently as high as 450.00 and my cash stays firmly in my pocket LOL

Ask yourself, why do I need a usgi bolt?
We have typically gone this route to achieve "match .308" headspace NOT because a GI bolt is somehow "better" than a norc one.
Then there's those who aren't happy till every part is upgraded. Yes, it increases value, BUT does it make the rifle any better? This is absolutely debatable.

My advice for what it's worth is do the basic tune ups and shoot her. If yer under 3" for 5 round groups at 100 , spend your money on quality ammo or reloading gear and shrink your groups.
Far easier that banging heads on walls trying to find a deal on parts that might not do squat for your groups.

How much is a 1/2" or 1" shrinkage of groups worth to you?
I would look to a short chambered match barrel, fitted with your existing parts as the smartest route to go for the $$$ spent.
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Note taken. :dancingbanana:
 
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