Any plans for a red rifle in 5.45x39mm?

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id love a 14.5 or 12.5 restricted, in 5.45x39mm, anyone know if any manufacturers have considered the idea?


Yes, i know .556 is cheaper and available, but thats not my point.;)

im sure surplus 5.45 is available but someone has to take the plunge first, ethier bring in surplus that very few guns are chambered for and hope manufactuers make more guns in that caliber, or make guns in a caliber thats hard to find ammo for and hope them importers locate some cheaper surplus for em!
 
It probably wouldn't be unobtainium if there was anything in Canada that shot it. It's not illegal to possess or import the ammunition as far as I know, there's just no point in bringing any in if the some of the only things that shoot them are 12.X AK's that can almost never legally be fired.

Now, would I want a 5.45x39 rifle? Depends on what it is, honestly. I'm not closed minded to it by any means but it'd have to be worth the probably somewhat substantial amount of money I'd pay for it.

And yes, I know that there are a few bolt guns in 5.45 here in Canada already, before anyone implies that I think AK-74's are the only 5.45's in Canada.
 
if there is a rifle that shoots it I'm sure we'll see more of 545
they are cheaper than 762x39 so I would love it but
really only rifle that shoots them are ak's and few ar-15. on top of that, those ar-15's are not that popular even in usa so I don't really see canadian market importing 545 for those ar's. also it doesnt help that ar-15s are restricted in canada.
so yeah if they make vz58 in 5.45 I'd drool all over it, but it doesn't seem like it will happen, so yeah probably we won't see large numbers of 545's in canada for long time.
by the way you still can get ar-15 in 5.45 and get 5.45 ammo's in canada. if you really want it and if you got the money. although I'd say it just isn't worth the effort at this point
 
Andurp said:
It's not illegal to possess or import the ammunition as far as I know
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actually, in order for the legal sale of ammo in canada over 5000 rounds, the ammo has to be tested then placed on the "list" of approved ammo by NRCAN.

you can bring in a personal amount, but in order for there to be a "NEED" for an importer to get this stuff in for general sale, sh!t better be rimfire prices in order to start a new market.

never gonna happen
 
P0WERWAGON said:
actually, in order for the legal sale of ammo in canada over 5000 rounds, the ammo has to be tested then placed on the "list" of approved ammo by NRCAN.

you can bring in a personal amount, but in order for there to be a "NEED" for an importer to get this stuff in for general sale, sh!t better be rimfire prices in order to start a new market.

never gonna happen
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Sure, but are you implying that the ammunition would get denied entry if we got to a point where importing it in bulk would be worthwhile for a dealer?

I can't see why it would. I mean I know NRCAN is a government agency and government agencies seem to enjoy going full retard when it comes to firearms and stuff, but they'd need a really good and defendable reason to prohibit its import, no?

It's corrosive, steel cased surplus from eastern europe. We have a lot of that here, just in a different caliber. I can't imagine how any decision to not allow it would stand up to any scrutiny, of which there would be a lot knowing how united the CGN community is these days.
 
Buy: 7.62x39 brass, reforming die set and CZ858.

Send the CZ858 to a gunsmith for re-barreling and make your own brass while waiting for 858 to be finished.

That's about it in a nutshell.
 
They make 5.45 uppers for AR's. If the ammo could be brought in in sufficient quantities, I would look at an upper for sure.
 
fireball said:
Buy: 7.62x39 brass, reforming die set and CZ858.

Send the CZ858 to a gunsmith for re-barreling and make your own brass while waiting for 858 to be finished.

That's about it in a nutshell.
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Although the 5.45 and the 7.62 are both 39mm in length, the diameter of the case head is different. They are two completely different rounds.
 
Importers and distributors like making money.

It would be a huge risk trying to get the Canadian market to embrace the round.

You haven't suggested any Rifles that would make it worth while either. Non restricted is pretty much a necessity as well.

That said if the right gun and ammo combo came along I might consider it, but with the abundance of sks's and the love for the CZ it would be a hard sell.
 
sidester said:
All we need is a VZ clone in different versions of barrel lenght in 5,45X39
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thats exacty what i want lol,;)





ive seen a few boxes of the ammo around, i didnt know it was quite as rare as ppl here are making it seem tho, maybe i should go scoop it up:D

i agree dealers wouldent like taking a risk, but remember, someone ahd to take the risk to bring in 7.62x39 ammo that only worked in "old junky russian semis" im sure that was said before someone ordered the first lot of SKS's then whatdda you know they were a big seller.,

in more recent times the cheap tokarev pistols and ammo were a risk as well.

i agree 5.45 is just like .223 and we already have vz's in .223 but it would just be cool to have a Red caliber in a Red rifle other than x39
 
P0WERWAGON said:
actually, in order for the legal sale of ammo in canada over 5000 rounds, the ammo has to be tested then placed on the "list" of approved ammo by NRCAN.

you can bring in a personal amount, but in order for there to be a "NEED" for an importer to get this stuff in for general sale, sh!t better be rimfire prices in order to start a new market.
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Doesn't matter if its one round or five thousand. In order to import and possess ammunition it must be on the List of Authorized Explosives, period. The 5,000 round limit ONLY exempts you from requiring an Explosives Import Permit, nothing more. And that doesn't even touch on exporting ammunition from the US which is an even bigger hassle.

That said, approving ammo has gotten a lot easier. If there is a market, bringing 5.45 to Canada wouldn't be that hard.
 
AK said:
Doesn't matter if its one round or five thousand. In order to import and possess ammunition it must be on the List of Authorized Explosives, period. The 5,000 round limit ONLY exempts you from requiring an Explosives Import Permit, nothing more. And that doesn't even touch on exporting ammunition from the US which is an even bigger hassle.

That said, approving ammo has gotten a lot easier. If there is a market, bringing 5.45 to Canada wouldn't be that hard.
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there are millions of these rounds in canada right now in montreal. the problem is they are all going to the united states market. Its not getting them here that is the problem its getting guns that shoot it.
 
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