Any plans for a red rifle in 5.45x39mm?

eg23 said:
For me it's not the need for a more usable caliber but something fun and cheap to shoot.
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I agree here. A cost effective centerfire we could shoot all day. Ammo cost is the main factor that infringes on how much we participate in this hobby. Currently x39 ammo is the only real cheap ammo in Canada.

Sometimes I really do regret that I did not remain working in the US when I had the opportunity - I know many of my barrels would have substantially more rounds down the pipe.
 
mlehtovaara said:
Like I said it is just a matter of making it financially smart for a company to import a shipping container full of the stuff.

If they don't think they can sell it they wont.

At this point I don't think there has been a viable option suggested, other then special, seemingly limited runs, of other guns.

Doesn't seem to likely.
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It's a lot less work to make a 5.45 VZ than a 5.56 and they built a bunch of those, for reasons I still do not understand.
 
No, still don't understand...re-engineer a cheap commie blaster to run .223 and deal with the issues of designing a new mag that works well at the speed a VZ cycles at? To get what? A more expensive, less reliable version of a gun whose chief attribute is that it is reliable and cheap to run.

No, don't understand it at all, but they do sell. So why not a 5.45? It's definitely no dumber, and it might even be smarter.
 
misanthropist said:
No, still don't understand...re-engineer a cheap commie blaster to run .223 and deal with the issues of designing a new mag that works well at the speed a VZ cycles at? To get what? A more expensive, less reliable version of a gun whose chief attribute is that it is reliable and cheap to run.

No, don't understand it at all, but they do sell. So why not a 5.45? It's definitely no dumber, and it might even be smarter.
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There are numerous reasons the .223 version is a better gun over the x39.

Non corrosive ammo:
I can buy a cheap SKS or Mosin to run that stuff in, but if I am gonna tacticool up a gun and spend a bunch of money on it corrosive is a concern for those that don't know better, and for those that do.

I personally find it a pain in the ass having to clean these guns constantly after using corrosive, and even sold my CZ because of it.

Mag capacity:
I do think the mags for the CZ are ridiculous, but now there is the option for 10 round LAR mags with the adapters, which yet again is another reason to not bother with this new concept. Both the x39 and .223 versions have mag adapters now I believe!

Recoil control:
In any 3 gun, or CQB matches a .223 AR with a brake is much easier to keep on target. Even a well braked CZ in x39 can't compete.

Ballistics:
This one is obvious. Much flatter shooting in a .223, and lots of ammo available to do more with.
 
misanthropist said:
I don't think a .223 VZ is a particularly good solution to any of those issues but this thread is really about guns in 5.45, not 5.56, so I would rather agree to disagree rather than hijack it with my reasons.
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Fair enough.

The point is that with the x39 already out there, and now the .223, the bases are covered IMHO.

It wouldn't be a smart move to produce the 5.45, and even once they did who is gonna bring in all that ammo for a small group shooting them?

Would you risk the capital to do it? Not me.
 
mlehtovaara said:
Fair enough.

The point is that with the x39 already out there, and now the .223, the bases are covered IMHO.

It wouldn't be a smart move to produce the 5.45, and even once they did who is gonna bring in all that ammo for a small group shooting them?

Would you risk the capital to do it? Not me.
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I would probably look to the Czechpoint guys in the US to see if they thought they had demand for a 5.45 VZ, and if they thought they could move them. There is tons of 5.45 down there and there might well be a demand as the VZ has increased in popularity over the last few years after getting good recommendations from guys like Larry Vickers etc.

If they figured they could move them, then I'd say it's a solid proposition and somebody who works with CP regularly could probably do it without too much risk.
 
I don't think there would be much risk involed in bringing this caliber. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Marstar is sitting on a large stockpile of this stuff that they already sell to other countries. Also I believe Budget shooter supplies stated he could bring some in. I am sure someone like CanAm has access to it as well. I really don't think it's the ammo that's a problem, it's getting a rifle here in Canada to shoot it with. Just my 2 cents and I may b e way off.
 
fireball said:
Buy: 7.62x39 brass, reforming die set and CZ858.

Send the CZ858 to a gunsmith for re-barreling and make your own brass while waiting for 858 to be finished.

That's about it in a nutshell.
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Motivational speaking, that's good advice.

To me I just figure .223 would do the job and for alot cheaper.
 
Looks cheaper than what we are paying for 7.62x39 corrosive here:

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Note broken links.
 
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