Vz.24 pistol from Wolverine Supplies Surplus Sale. New photos and poll added.
- Thread starter fugawi
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This is inane. If there were enough people out there buying and preserving collectible prohibs, then you wouldn't see them sitting on dealer's shelves for years at a stretch. This one came from the Wolverine Surplus Sale, almost all the prohibs were still there after everything else had been picked over. I'm sure Fugawi would rather have had it live, like most milsurp collectors I'd own dozens of 12-6s if I could, but good on him for appreciating the history even if it isn't a shooter.
I think you should continue-
Dewating is a lot better than sending the poor thing to the shredder. The history and it's story are still there, and frankly a testimonial to the ridiculous draconian laws of the present day.
In the future...
Some collector will have a lecture series about those ridiculous dictatorial busybody's who forced the old collectors to do this in order to protect these priceless pieces of history from being sent to be destroyed.....
keep it up...
janice.
Dewating is a lot better than sending the poor thing to the shredder. The history and it's story are still there, and frankly a testimonial to the ridiculous draconian laws of the present day.
In the future...
Some collector will have a lecture series about those ridiculous dictatorial busybody's who forced the old collectors to do this in order to protect these priceless pieces of history from being sent to be destroyed.....
keep it up...
janice.
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- S.W. Ontario
your poll options suck
stormbringer
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on CGN are you?
That's sad.
What is sad is you do not seem to appreciate what you did.
So you wanted to educate everyone about the rare thing you destroyed? Really?
Wow............just wow
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- Leduc County, Alberta
Perhaps all the hapless non-12.6, 12.2, 12.3 etc, collectors should buy all the lovely prohibs they want, but transfer them to the lucky elder collectors who can actually legally own them??? You realize that there are not even close to enough guys with their 12.? Endorsements on their PALs to save ALL the Prohib guns right??
Eventually, if laws are not changed in this country regarding classifications, (and I have very low hopes of classifications ever changing for the better), many of the Neat-O Pocket pistols, Lugers, VZ24's, MG's, MP's, etc... WILL go to the Government Smelter, or be turned into some sort of garish, unholy artwork.....
Seeing as this might be the case, why is it not good, or even prudent, to at least save some of the gems via deactivation so as to allow future collectors at least some historical artifacts?
PS: I have never deactivated a gun, nor do I like the thought of it... but, I have owned them, and did find them quite boring, considering the money I had into them. But for the historical value, and the chance to own a certain piece, etc, why can this not be an option?
Personally I have rebarreled ALL MATCHING *GASP*
P08 Lugers with longer barrels so that I could own one with just an rPAL. I shoot them too. It's mine until I die or sell 'em, so who is to judge?? Hopefully your responses are the result of you being just the "Sarcastic SOB Mod" which you describe yourself as
... Otherwise.... 
I learned quite a bit from my de-activated Mauser model 1910. Considering the prohibited barrel length and caliber, it is better to have her at all then in the smelter with all the WW1 history lost.
To save my 1914 dated Luger, I put a new barrel on her to get her into the restricted class. If I did not, she would have been melted down by the government. I have no regrets with that decision as she can soldier on in my collection as well as others long after I am gone as well as the prohibited lugers that we run into today.
That being said, I am all for learning more about firearms, even though they are de-watted. To throw that chance of knowledge away is ridiculous as you just do not know if one de-watt firearm can change the history books as we know it.
To save my 1914 dated Luger, I put a new barrel on her to get her into the restricted class. If I did not, she would have been melted down by the government. I have no regrets with that decision as she can soldier on in my collection as well as others long after I am gone as well as the prohibited lugers that we run into today.
That being said, I am all for learning more about firearms, even though they are de-watted. To throw that chance of knowledge away is ridiculous as you just do not know if one de-watt firearm can change the history books as we know it.
I think the poll results are speaking for themselves. Personally, i do not see or understand the opposing view. It is not as if fugawi put some hideous newly made "bubba" barrel on and refinished the milsurp. He saved it from a life of neglect and gave it a loving home with the intent to learn all he can about it and share it with us.
I voted 'yes'. I think its narrow minded to interpret fugawi's thread as any sort of promotion of dewating. He's sharing information, and I'm here to learn. What about the guys who do own non-dewated versions of this firearm, but have them locked up in a vault and aren't bothering to share the history of the gun with others?
As for the idea of altering the gun with a longer non-historical barrel... how does that preserve the historical value of the firearm? I don't see it. At least the dewat is visually representative of the firearms original condition.
I'm going to add that I don't think people should be 'bullying' other people and trying to intimidate them into thinking a certain way. I realize that some people are passionate about preserving milsurps here. But it sometimes feels like people are on some sort of puritan religious crusade.
As for the idea of altering the gun with a longer non-historical barrel... how does that preserve the historical value of the firearm? I don't see it. At least the dewat is visually representative of the firearms original condition.
I'm going to add that I don't think people should be 'bullying' other people and trying to intimidate them into thinking a certain way. I realize that some people are passionate about preserving milsurps here. But it sometimes feels like people are on some sort of puritan religious crusade.
At the risk of repeating myself...
I most certainly would have preferred to own a vz.24 is an operable state but given the existing gun laws that isn't going to happen.
It prohibited by length of barrel (no one makes a replacement barrel as far as I know; we are talking about a pistol designed in 1924). Same with the vz.27 (prohibited by barrel length and cartridge size). To have a longer barrel made and fitted? Sure if I win the lotto.
This particular pistol sat on the shelf for six weeks and no one bought it. I don't have a 12.6 so it had to be a dewat (and yes it looks ugly but it can be made to look better).
Last time I looked there were two, repeat two vz.27s for sale from the Wolverine Surplus Sale. So for those who criticized me, go ahead and rescue them from becoming a dewat or worse turned into scrap and sold to China.
Or maybe they will go to a collector in the USA and the Americans will enjoy shooting them and we can all watch it on Youtube.
I have fired prohibs. I have had the pleasure(?) of being the C2 man on my BMT and my issue weapon was the Sterling. Yes its a rush to fire GPMG on full auto and even more so the .50 especially at night. If I could own a FN C1A1 I would. But it will have to be a dewat.
And thank you to all who have voiced their support. I don't particularly like seeing guns made into a dewat but sometimes you have to do what you have to do. It's not like they dewat themselves.
If I could have bought an existing dewat for my display I would have.
If I could have bought an existing dewat for my display I would have.
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A co-worker brought a dewat ppsh to work when I was still in Sask, very cool.
If there is no other option and that is how you want to spend your money...good on you.
Perhaps it would be better received if it was a #### & click Erma MP-38? Or a Ma Duece?
If so then it's only someones preference that leads them to rain on another's parade
If there is no other option and that is how you want to spend your money...good on you.
Perhaps it would be better received if it was a #### & click Erma MP-38? Or a Ma Duece?
If so then it's only someones preference that leads them to rain on another's parade
There is a very hungry shredder out there, attached to the steel furnace.
Fugawi's gun isn't in it.
HOW MANY of us are looking at MAJOR financial losses from this bad law? I know I certainly am, and a financial loss is one thing I simply cannot afford.
I gave my 2 years, I paid my taxes, I paid a helluvva lotta taxes.
I have earned the right to be left alone with my toys, just so long as I harm no one.
But those meddling, prying, miserable excuses for human beings in the Liberal and New Democratic Parties don't believe that ANYONE has ANY rights that they don't like.
But now the shoe is on the other foot, so let's see if we can use this time of respite to "fireproof" ourselves from their next Marxist-Leninist onslaught on our rights..... the one which they have promised us and for which they are preparing, right now.
For starts, we have to start ACTING like the "powerful GUN LOBBY" about which they carp constantly....... and our first order of business is to make any anti-gun statement from a politician into Political Suicide. We can achieve that if we unite our votes.
Remember, WE are the BIGGEST sport in Canada. We are bigger than Power-walking, we are bigger than Bobsled Racing, we are even bigger than Dragon Boat Racing...... all of which get subsidies. WE are bigger than ALL OF THEM put together. And we pay our own way AND theirs. We are ENTITLED to some consideration.
If we make our voices heard, perhaps friend Fugawi's CZ-24 might be the LAST to be dewatted...... in a so-called "Free Country".
'Nuff said.
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Fugawi's gun isn't in it.
HOW MANY of us are looking at MAJOR financial losses from this bad law? I know I certainly am, and a financial loss is one thing I simply cannot afford.
I gave my 2 years, I paid my taxes, I paid a helluvva lotta taxes.
I have earned the right to be left alone with my toys, just so long as I harm no one.
But those meddling, prying, miserable excuses for human beings in the Liberal and New Democratic Parties don't believe that ANYONE has ANY rights that they don't like.
But now the shoe is on the other foot, so let's see if we can use this time of respite to "fireproof" ourselves from their next Marxist-Leninist onslaught on our rights..... the one which they have promised us and for which they are preparing, right now.
For starts, we have to start ACTING like the "powerful GUN LOBBY" about which they carp constantly....... and our first order of business is to make any anti-gun statement from a politician into Political Suicide. We can achieve that if we unite our votes.
Remember, WE are the BIGGEST sport in Canada. We are bigger than Power-walking, we are bigger than Bobsled Racing, we are even bigger than Dragon Boat Racing...... all of which get subsidies. WE are bigger than ALL OF THEM put together. And we pay our own way AND theirs. We are ENTITLED to some consideration.
If we make our voices heard, perhaps friend Fugawi's CZ-24 might be the LAST to be dewatted...... in a so-called "Free Country".
'Nuff said.
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Coyote Ugly
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You better check the regulations before you alter anything as you can get in a big pile of sh/t.
On a Canadian website that sells dewats, it clearly states:
No licence required to purchase or own. It is illegal to alter the deactivation work in any way.
For the Dewat, you might have been better off dewatting a $30.00 CZ27 in fair to poor condition with missing parts or looked for one that was already dewatted. At the end of the Day, it's the same thing in your hand.
The longer barrel option (from 12.6 to Restricted) would have been the #1 choice and you could have shot it at the range, taken it apart, cleaned it, reassembled it, used it.....
Actually it was Wolverine that said I could take a file to it and apply some cold blue to improve its appearance. Collectors have been filing down down the ugly welds on dewat Stens for years.
Where are you finding $30 vz.27s? The two at Wolverine were priced at $250. As to a dewat vz.24 - have you, Coyote Ugly, actually seen one in Canada? If so tell me where.
And at the end of the day they're not the same. They look similar but if you know what to look for, you can easily spot the differences. That's the point of this thread: to inform members in this forum about the vz.24.
Prior to my mine, when was the last time anyone here read a thread about the Ceska Zbrojovka vz.24 in this forum?
And for my display a vz.27 would not be the correct pistol. And both would have to be a dewat.
Read the entire thread. This suggestion has been answered by others with knowledge of barrel making/swapping already - to summarize: not a realistic option.
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