Someone who knows the Steyr Hahn will have to answer your question.
This is a vz.24 barrel.
Does the barrel of your Steyr Hahn have similar locking lugs?
vz.24 pistol field stripped:
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Vz.24 pistol from Wolverine Supplies Surplus Sale. New photos and poll added.
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Someone who knows the Steyr Hahn will have to answer your question.
This is a vz.24 barrel.
Does the barrel of your Steyr Hahn have similar locking lugs?
vz.24 pistol field stripped:
Coyote Ugly
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Actually it was Wolverine that said I could take a file to it and apply some cold blue to improve its appearance. Collectors have been filing down down the ugly welds on dewat Stens for years.
Where are you finding $30 vz.27s? The two at Wolverine were priced at $250. As to a dewat vz.24 - have you, Coyote Ugly, actually seen one in Canada? If so tell me where.
And at the end of the day they're not the same. They look similar but if you know what to look for, you can easily spot the differences. That's the point of this thread: to inform members in this forum about the vz.24.
Prior to my mine, when was the last time anyone here read a thread about the Ceska Zbrojovka vz.24 in this forum?
And for my display a vz.27 would not be the correct pistol. And both would have to be a dewat.
Read the entire thread. This suggestion has been answered by others with knowledge of barrel making/swapping already - to summarize: not a realistic option.
You must like paper weights and mig welders!
Did you even take the time to source and to get a quote on a new made barrel?
I know enough people with Machine Shops with CNC and Broaching equipment. Too late now! lol
Your thread took a big nose dive when:
"I would like to inform you on the historical significance of my latest scarce, rare and freshly Dewatted Project still hot, molten and smoking from the welding table...."
You could have informed us with a vz.24 Google Search and no Dewat with the same effect for the knowledge part.
So you suggest the best way to preserve a milsurp's historical significance is to bubba it with a non-historical barrel? Wow, never thought I'd see the day when one of you would actually berate a guy for not sending a milsurp to be bubba'd. That's a switch. Someone's logic circuit must be fried.
You must like paper weights and mig welders!
Did you even take the time to source and to get a quote on a new made barrel?
I know enough people with Machine Shops with CNC and Broaching equipment. Too late now! lol
Your thread took a big nose dive when:
"I would like to inform you on the historical significance of my latest scarce, rare and freshly Dewatted Project still hot, molten and smoking from the welding table...."
You could have informed us with a vz.24 Google Search and no Dewat with the same effect for the knowledge part.
And how many of them have a 12.6? I've got quotes for turning barrels before and they're not cheap. Do you know the dimensions for this barrel or what one would cost?
And just for the heck of it I did a search here in this forum to see how many threads on the vz.24 ...and received two hits: mine.
As for Google that's exactly what I did and translated most of the information from Czech web sites. Instead of discussing this pistol or its holster or the prewar Czech pistol industry we are talking about the merits or not of dewats.
As I stated way back in this thread if I wanted to talk about dewats I would have started a thread about it.
Talking about hijacking a thread. I'm getting tired of being slagged here. Your attitude just makes me want to go elsewhere with my posts. Its not worth posting in Milsurps anymore.
And what about those $30 dewat vz.27 you profess knowledge of...
And if you don't like my thread why do you keep posting on it. Grow up.
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VERY interesting barrel on that critter: most DEFINITELY torque-locked rotating barrel, which is all too often confused with and listed as a delayed-blowback...... which it ain't.
Closely related and very similar to the:
Roth-Steyr 1907 Cavalry pistol which used a very hot 8mm cartridge
Steyr-Hahn 1911/12/13 General Service 9mm pistol using a special hot round: 420 ft/lbs
MAB-PA15
Obregon
the new VIPER recently adopted as the Jordan Army Weapon System
and a handful of others.
The Savage 1907 also uses a rotary barrel but definitely in a hesitation role.
These guns tend to be extremely accurate because the rotary barrel may be fitted much more closely than a dropping barrel of the rather sloppy Browning style.
The biggest problem with them is the standard of expertise required of the men making the things. The angled lockup lugs and rotary stops and so forth can be murderous to machine precisely, although this would be easier with CNC machinery. Big problem here is that CNC machine-tools seem to be modern enough that the majority of owners want to get back the purchase price on every job.
But interesting to see the barrel: proves that this gun often is misclassified.
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Closely related and very similar to the:
Roth-Steyr 1907 Cavalry pistol which used a very hot 8mm cartridge
Steyr-Hahn 1911/12/13 General Service 9mm pistol using a special hot round: 420 ft/lbs
MAB-PA15
Obregon
the new VIPER recently adopted as the Jordan Army Weapon System
and a handful of others.
The Savage 1907 also uses a rotary barrel but definitely in a hesitation role.
These guns tend to be extremely accurate because the rotary barrel may be fitted much more closely than a dropping barrel of the rather sloppy Browning style.
The biggest problem with them is the standard of expertise required of the men making the things. The angled lockup lugs and rotary stops and so forth can be murderous to machine precisely, although this would be easier with CNC machinery. Big problem here is that CNC machine-tools seem to be modern enough that the majority of owners want to get back the purchase price on every job.
But interesting to see the barrel: proves that this gun often is misclassified.
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Coyote Ugly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
The Gunsmiths/Machinists I know have 12.6 and so do I. I could have drawn the blueprints up for you in CAD or Solidworks.
So you didn't even check or get a quote for it? That's kind of a big failing grade right there for preservation versus castration! I would bet that every internal removeable part inside your vz.24 (that you can't see) was removed and salvaged. (Castration)
Could have been, should have been if you did your research first, not last - you could have been out at the range with it. So what if the barrel would have stuck out a bit more, you see it done with PPK's, P08 Lugers, etc.
It's a good learning lesson on what to do and not do next time.
Too Late Smart and too Soon Old.
But you seem to "Know it All" anyway.
Coyote Ugly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Considering Dewat Castration or a longer new barrel, I would take the longer barrel any day if I didn't have 12.6, especially on a rare gun that can be preserved and not torched.
I would still take the longer new barrel over chrome plating any day on any class of milsurp.
...And do you or your machinist friends have insurance? Do you guarantee your barrels won't blow up?
BTW I'm still waiting for your answer about the whereabouts of $30 dewat vz.27s or where to find a dewat vz.24?
So quote me a price for the next one...
BTW I'm still waiting for your answer about the whereabouts of $30 dewat vz.27s or where to find a dewat vz.24?
So quote me a price for the next one...
As it was put to me by a fellow CGNer, he was "sorry to see your [my] thread get hacked to bits because of dewatting"
Since this thread is being shredded by all the hate over my pistol being a dewat which is diminishing its value to inform those who would like to learn about the Ceska Zbrojovka vz.24 pistol...
If you want to learn about the pistol and the Czech issue holster - that's in the first five pages of my thread (with intermittent comments about dewats).
Photos of the barrel showing the locking lugs and the vz.24 pistol field stripped on page 9, post #81.
There are also insightful comments by smellie about the locking mechanism and barrel construction on page 9, post #87.
Plus the value of dewats to the collecting community by Nabs on page 7, post #70.
And some interesting commentary on the potential outcome for 12.6 firearms if we don't change the gun laws or at least preserve them for future generations by Desert Fox on page 7, post #69.
Since this thread is being shredded by all the hate over my pistol being a dewat which is diminishing its value to inform those who would like to learn about the Ceska Zbrojovka vz.24 pistol...
If you want to learn about the pistol and the Czech issue holster - that's in the first five pages of my thread (with intermittent comments about dewats).
Photos of the barrel showing the locking lugs and the vz.24 pistol field stripped on page 9, post #81.
There are also insightful comments by smellie about the locking mechanism and barrel construction on page 9, post #87.
Plus the value of dewats to the collecting community by Nabs on page 7, post #70.
And some interesting commentary on the potential outcome for 12.6 firearms if we don't change the gun laws or at least preserve them for future generations by Desert Fox on page 7, post #69.
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You realize don't you that other CGNers are sending me PMs in support of my thread and are not happy to see it slagged.
Your actions (and others) are diminishing its usefulness for those that want to learn about the Ceska Zbrojovka vz.24 pistol. You are devaluing the Milsurps forum. Other members have dewats milsurps that they could report on by why would they want to expose themselves to your attacks.
Post #92 is an attempt to restore the thread's usefulness to fellow CGN members.
Your actions (and others) are diminishing its usefulness for those that want to learn about the Ceska Zbrojovka vz.24 pistol. You are devaluing the Milsurps forum. Other members have dewats milsurps that they could report on by why would they want to expose themselves to your attacks.
Post #92 is an attempt to restore the thread's usefulness to fellow CGN members.
Coyote Ugly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Sometimes a person doesn't like what they see or hear until they take off their rose colored glasses. We don't always have sunshine blown up our A** , there are Rainy Days too!
Post #50 is the other side of the coin. The Reality of Castration by Dewat.
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Originally Posted by fugawi
What I find a bit frustrating is that I posted this thread to discuss the Czech vz.24 pistol which is seldom seen, probably not well known, and is a significant firearm in the history of Czech firearms.
that you destroyed...........
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Too bad we aren't discussing the pistol.
what pistol...........all I see is a paper weight
Post #50 is the other side of the coin. The Reality of Castration by Dewat.
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Originally Posted by fugawi
What I find a bit frustrating is that I posted this thread to discuss the Czech vz.24 pistol which is seldom seen, probably not well known, and is a significant firearm in the history of Czech firearms.
that you destroyed...........
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Too bad we aren't discussing the pistol.
what pistol...........all I see is a paper weight
The last thing I want to do is contribute to this post getting locked so let's say...I'd really kind of get back to discussing the merits of the vz. 24 design.
Not fighting battles that cannot be won.
Please, any constructive input would be greatly appreciated
Not fighting battles that cannot be won.
Please, any constructive input would be greatly appreciated
Coyote Ugly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I didn't even know it was for sale.
Well why didn't you send me the link or tell me it was for sale. (about as assuming as your question!
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Coyote Ugly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
You forgot to PM me about the sale.
