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Can I please have my ninja booties now?
you have to loctite locks for me first... that's a requirement.
We should mention that Darkstang was the first locksmith I apprenticed under way back in the day...
Cop loses gun
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you have to loctite locks for me first... that's a requirement.
We should mention that Darkstang was the first locksmith I apprenticed under way back in the day...
I think you were correct
"On Thursday, the loaded semi-automatic handgun and 45 rounds of ammunition went missing after a plainclothes officer left his knapsack on the ground across the street from Kitchener-Waterloo Collegiate Institute in Kitchener. It was gone when he returned. "
Kitchener-Waterloo Collegiate and Vocational School
787 King St. W.
KITCHENER, Ontario
Canada
Well, now I'm wrong again then. Lol! I don't think they ever found that pistol, did they?
Yep, those plainclothes police officers are just out of control.... Losing handcuff keys and then another loses his gun during a foot pursuit. What new laws and regulations do you suggest mall cop?
Ya,
But your all growd up now. I make good locksmiths! I miss that industry some days. My latest buisiness I can't really talk about here, but I like it a lot. Although I miss working with the Sheriffs and Baliffs on the Sezures and I miss working at the strip club working on the girls lockers. Lol! Good times, eh Al?
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- London Ontario
I work on most of the gyms in the city (ironic, isn't it)- it's awesome!
Baillif work I don't do a lot of, frankly, I don't want it. Fun yes, time consuming for the money, YES. Master keying is my thing- high security master key systems and access control.
Baillif work I don't do a lot of, frankly, I don't want it. Fun yes, time consuming for the money, YES. Master keying is my thing- high security master key systems and access control.
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- London Ontario
I can think of one specific exception to that...
Yep, those plainclothes police officers are just out of control.... Losing handcuff keys and then another loses his gun during a foot pursuit. What new laws and regulations do you suggest mall cop?
I'd just like to say, we can't forget about the cop in London who shot off 19 rounds with his pistol while chasing an unarmed suspect in East London a few years ago. He hit everything but his intended, unarmed suspect. There is morons in every industry. Mallcop or not, they had keys, so somebody screwed up and it wasn't the Mallcop. My whole family are Cops and my dad who was a former white shirt was disappointed in the new style of police that were getting hired. A lot of guys that lack the propper street smarts are getting hired because they have a university degree in History or Phylosophy. I'm kind of disappointed with some of the choices they've made. Its those guys that make an entire industry look dumb. The good cops are the ones who have to cover for them and take the bad wrap that they brought on.
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- London Ontario
Yep, those plainclothes police officers are just out of control.... Losing handcuff keys and then another loses his gun during a foot pursuit. What new laws and regulations do you suggest mall cop?
there's no way to legislate 'pay more attention'... and I haven't done that job in 10 years
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- London Ontario
I live just a few blocks from where that happened, some friends of mine had their front window replaced because of that... bet a LOT of people wish he'd lost his gun during that pursuit.
So which one is it?
Losing a handcuff key!?!?! Sounds like someone should get fired for that.
Are you perhaps a little bitter about not getting hired?
I'm one of those guys with a degree. Mind you I worked as a federal corrections officer while putting myself through college.
I have 12 years in my current agency and have field trained 6 recruits. I wouldn't say they lack common sense. They certainly lack experience however and as a result do make poor decisions. Several years ago we had a massive number of retirements all at the same time. When I started I had the benefit of working with a large number of senior officers with a lot of experience. Right out of the academy I worked a two man car with an officer with almost 30 years. Unfortunately now the majority of patrol members have far less than 5 years experience.
The other problem is those with experience are the ones who move on to specialty units thus taking away experienced officers from patrol. I was away from patrol for 4 years in a specialty unit and have been back for a year and a half. I have noticed the drastic drop in seniority and experience.
I will be the first to admit that we hire some bad ones like every other occupation but would have to say there are not a lot of them. They are an embarassment to us as well.
So which one is it?
Losing a handcuff key!?!?! Sounds like someone should get fired for that.
Are you perhaps a little bitter about not getting hired?
I'm one of those guys with a degree. Mind you I worked as a federal corrections officer while putting myself through college.
I have 12 years in my current agency and have field trained 6 recruits. I wouldn't say they lack common sense. They certainly lack experience however and as a result do make poor decisions. Several years ago we had a massive number of retirements all at the same time. When I started I had the benefit of working with a large number of senior officers with a lot of experience. Right out of the academy I worked a two man car with an officer with almost 30 years. Unfortunately now the majority of patrol members have far less than 5 years experience.
The other problem is those with experience are the ones who move on to specialty units thus taking away experienced officers from patrol. I was away from patrol for 4 years in a specialty unit and have been back for a year and a half. I have noticed the drastic drop in seniority and experience.
I will be the first to admit that we hire some bad ones like every other occupation but would have to say there are not a lot of them. They are an embarassment to us as well.
Definately not jealous or bitter. I make more money and I don't have to deal with losers who can't fit into society. You guys can deal with the lack of maturity level of fighting neighbours etc.
Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of you do fantastic, but you can't make excuses for bad politics or stupid people. Its true what you say about how they take experienced personel and screw up the functionality of the operation. So I want to clarify, I know there is great cops out there. There still is a lot of people who are hired who are not a good fit for the job, but its the scads that still get in that don't belong there. If anyone hired me as a cop, they would be making a mistake. I don't have the patients or temperment to do that thankless job. I'd lose my mind dealing with a rapist or pedophile. Just my opinion that there is some crappy people in the system. Just like every other job. It really sucks for you if you go to CID or K9 and your returning to a section and your closest guy for backup to your Beat is the wizard who lost his pistol or shot up a neighbourhood. You know we are responsible for every shot fired from your service pistol. They remind you every "In Service Training". I know it burns you. It burns me too and I'm not even a cop. I do depend on my fellow employees when I go to work to be responsible so I don't die at my job. Just between us, there is goobers in my job. Way too many. Lol!
As far as my copper buddies, on here. You guys are the shyt. Every one of them are awsome, or you wouldn't be my friends.
Cocked&Locked
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- London Ontario
first one was meant to be a joke, guess it didn't come off that way, my apologies.
I would suggest that a review be made of what constitutes a safe carry in plainclothes, but #### happens and equipment fails. I don't know anywhere near enough about the situation to be able to say whether it was a person's fault or an equipment failure or a bad choice of holster- I don't recall seeing how the gun was lost- from a holster, a bag or dropped while carried?
It's a funny thing too. All duty carry holsters have to be approved by the CFO in Ontario, anyways. I guess they look at them really carefully when they are used for open carry. I'm pretty sure all open carry duty holsters have to be level 3 and higher. However, some guys may accidently not activate their strap all the way in the case of the Safariland type like we use. The whole loop goes forward but when you sit down it will usually depress it and push it forward when it hits an external vest. So every time you get out of a vehicle you have to check that it didn't disengage. I think it's almost worse than the Safari 070's straps. I think I the strap on the new ones is called an SLS System. The concealed carry we use are an ALS. I like them less, I think. But they seem more secure, sorta.
Thank you.
I'm just getting tired of the cop bashing and the immediate jumping to conclusions that has become so prevalent here and elsewhere on the internet (as well as the media; don't let the facts get in the way of a good story). You combine that with the increased micromanaging at work and managers who seem willing to hang their guys out to dry at the first sign of trouble it is no small wonder how apathetic we are becoming as a whole. It is disheartening to see how much has changed in just over a decade.
Having said that I wouldn't pick any other career. Every once in a while I still get to make a difference and get a thank you from someone I have helped. I enjoy field training and mentoring the new guys. As a part time pistol instructor I can help ensure that my brothers and sisters go home safe at the end of their shift.
Well put.
You undoubtably have my respect. You are definately not from the crowd of the useless. Your well spoken and I understand where you are coming from. In my industry we have the same problem with people only seeing one side of the story and only have 10% of the information that they make their assumptions with. I call those people "Lemmings". Lol! They just follow the crowd off the preverbial cliff. I've wittnessed the "Know it alls" and they bug me too. But no matter what you say or what logic you use, their info always comes from a friend of a friend or they made it up for their 15 minuites of fame. For the record, I feel bad for the cops in the situations mentioned and mad at them at the same time. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when they have their departmental meeting with an Inspector or worse, the whole White Shirt Board. Their was one instance where a copper in my dads department, cut him off in traffic and then flipped out his badge and gave my dad the finger. Lol! I don't feel sorry for him. Ya never know who your dealing with. Imagine his surprise when he was called into the office by the guy he gave the finger to. Killer!
You seem like the guy who enjoys his job(like you said) who takes pride and responsibility in what you do. Cops like you(the smart ones) I have the greatest respect for. Just don't retire too soon so you can teach the bad ones right.
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- London Ontario
I typically don't bash cops in general, and will usually only say negative things about specific people or situations. I've never been a cop, but I have been in the 'fight for my life' more than once, and I will NEVER suggest that someone did something wrong unless I was there and involved, and even then, just because my training (which, for a security guard was pretty extensive) is different.
I don't like cop bashing either, it pisses me off. If you've never done the job, how can you possibly know. I haven't and I know what I don't know about it, if that makes any sense.
Good for you for taking your job seriously, going above and beyond to make sure everyone gets home. If everyone acted that way, a lot fewer people would get hurt.
Not a stitch of sarcasm in the above post.
