Rude Landowners

Own a section and half and I can count on 1 hand amount of times I've been asked for permission, we have both farm and city house we are 20 mins east of bass pro shops north of Calgary, almost drive right into our farm, took over the farm from the wife's grandad 5 years ago, he says he rarely got asked for permission. Cousin for 4 years now has a piece of prime hunting land just west of carstairs, we shoot ducks deer and moose, he shoot an almost 200 inch mulie has a ton of deer, and he has been asked once a year at the most. Land owners I talk to don't get asked often and most would love the geese shot but there are not enough water fowlers.
 
mgcolley said:
Little story,

I was out searching for land to hunt, and I found a few properties that I saw deer on, one property had a very long driveway and a private property sign, so instead of driving up to the door I left them a letter in their mailbox by the road. This was a very nice letter, not to brag, simply explaining what I was looking for and how I did not approach their door as to not breach their privacy etc. I got an email response stating, "Take your interests elsewhere and if I ever see you on my property I am calling the police".

I am getting so sick of rude landowners, I am sure they get sick of people asking or some have had bad experiences, but I never touched their property and I left a harmless letter, seemed a little harsh.

Oh well, guess these are the things we have to put up with, wish people were more accepting of hunting
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I wonder if he is sick of rude hunters?

It amazes me how people think in regards to permission to hunting. I don't view it much differently than if someone were to invite me into their home for dinner - Usually a bit of respectful discussion about his operation and your intentions are a great start.

I have been on both sides of the coin - and rarely have I been denied permission. Then again I have tried to develop a positive relationship way ahead of time, and perhaps take an interest in his/her operation.

A little humility, a dose of respect and the frame of mind that if he doesn't want you there that is his prerogative goes a long way.

I remember a few years ago having permission on several landowners in a certain area - and had an adamant NO from one landowner. The night before the hunt I phoned him and told him that I would be hunting on the neighbour's, and the vehicle and license plate and where I was parking.

I was unsuccessful - but on a subsequent trip I did the same thing - the landowner that denied me permission was so floored that I would show him such consideration that he granted me permission.

just my .02
 
cam1936 said:
Ahhh yes paid hunting. Just what we all want. In Alberta at least it is illegal to offer something in exchange for permission. For good reason too!!

Not to say you can't offer a bottle/game meat later for thanks, so long as permission is not dependant on that bottle/meat.
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"Paid" can be a loose term. By offer, I include shoveling dirt, mending fences, bucking hay, tending water, driving tractor or any of the numerous jobs that a landowner needs done. Hey, if he offers permission come season it might be worth the effort.

I'm sure the percentage of people offering services is much much less than the percentage wanting a freebie pass.
 
Lodi said:
"Paid" can be a loose term. By offer, I include shoveling dirt, mending fences, bucking hay, tending water, driving tractor or any of the numerous jobs that a landowner needs done. Hey, if he offers permission come season it might be worth the effort.

I'm sure the percentage of people offering services is much much less than the percentage wanting a freebie pass.
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Maybe I spoke a little fast there. By all means all those things you mentioned above are great ways to establish links with a landowner.
 
I'm on both sides of the landowner/permission seeker situation. It sucks from both sides.

I would personally prefer hunting leases, if they were legal here. Then a guy could feel like a client instead of a cap-in-hand begger. It would be cheaper than buying, and probably cheaper than the taxes if you inherited it.
 
Dogleg said:
I'm on both sides of the landowner/permission seeker situation. It sucks from both sides.

I would personally prefer hunting leases, if they were legal here. Then a guy could feel like a client instead of a cap-in-hand begger. It would be cheaper than buying, and probably cheaper than the taxes if you inherited it.
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I think this would provide incentive for more owners to make their property available for hunting. As it is, they have the choice of saying "no" or letting someone use their property for free. Given these choices, is it any surprise that so many say "no"?
 
I live in central BC where almost all the land is public, and in addition to that if you want to hunt away from the road, you may never see another hunter, or hear another gunshot. Of course there are ranches, and if you you know someone there is good deer hunting on them. Getting permission is just not a big deal here. There are lots of places to hunt.
 
starpuss said:
I WOULD Tell you to piss off also!

My Land , My Deer !

And i Think It was Be Nutz to Let someone you Dont know shoot On your Land!
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Funny thing I see in your youtube video that you wander on to private property and rummage through abandon buildings. Not your land, not your bilding to rummage through and video???
 
I've got a bullet hole up high in my old garage window; comes from the tree-line...hmmm.
Neither of my neighbors allow hunting, gates forgotten down, then cows hit by a train.
We've had people knocking out staples so they can breach a fence with sleds.
Funny though they allow me to hunt. I state right off the bat " I shoot bow, BP and a 38-55 because they are low powered limited range weapons."
That and no-one knows I was there. No quad tracks to hunt( recover, yes), no driving all over Christ.
Heck I've had one buddy who own's MASSIVE amounts of awesome hunting land say " I'd prefer a poacher, other than one less animal; you don't even know that they were there. I let people in to hunt that I don't know they drive all over christ, garbage blowing out the door when they get out; shooting a at WT's with a f--king cannon. Gimme a break. Not worth the trouble".
Can't say as I blame him. And he's a great guy too, just had to deal with one too many poor sportsmen.
 
"Paid" can be a loose term. By offer, I include shoveling dirt, mending fences, bucking hay, tending water, driving tractor or any of the numerous jobs that a landowner needs done. Hey, if he offers permission come season it might be worth the effort.

I'm sure the percentage of people offering services is much much less than the percentage wanting a freebie pass.
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Offering to do any of those chores in exchange for access for the purpose of hunting is illegal in the provinces that I hunt in. That is why I do not offer my services in exchange for access.
 
starpuss said:
I WOULD Tell you to piss off also!

My Land , My Deer !

And i Think It was Be Nutz to Let someone you Dont know shoot On your Land!
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Do you save "Piss off" just for responding to politely worded letters, or do you also say it to people who take the trouble to come to your home and disturb you and make their request in a manner as rude as yours?
 
I live on my quarter section about 20 min. from town, along a paved road. During the fall & winter, lots of mule deer hang out around my hay bales. I've seen many trucks park along the road and glass the deer in my field. I have no problem with someone wanting to get a kid their first deer or someone looking for some tender, alfalfa fed venison to add to their freezer. In the last 6 years, only one guy stopped at the house to ask permission and likely only because there was a large antlered trophy buck at the bales, which are in full view of the road. My son told him I was at work so he'd have to come back when I was home and ask me. He never returned.
 
I have been lucky with never having rude responses, even those who are quite blunt about saying no.

We drive up slowly, no music, well groomed and introduce ourselves clearly. The impression that I get is that MANY farmers are sick of hunters trespassing, poaching, littering and misbehaving with impunity. Every landowner I know has issues every season. Lets face it, we are out own worse enemy and far too many hunters act like douche bags. It sucks, and needs attention.



starpuss said:
I WOULD Tell you to piss off also!

My Land , My Deer !
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Really? You bought those deer, you sell them? I didn't know MB had privatised public wildlife
 
I put up no hunting signs on our property because people just park and walk in and hunt, without asking. It ticked me off that people pulled their vehicles onto private property (farm land) and just hunted, no asking. No trespassing signs went up fast. I would have let them hunt if they have asked. I called the one person who did ask permission to tell him to ignore those signs and have a happy hunt. Good guy, brings up venison peperoni every year as a thank you.

Another story, I got permission to hunt turkey elsewhere and did so. opening day i hear BANG right behind me, in a NO NUNTING (i know so) area. Within 5 minutes, a quad started and took off. That shot was DANGER close to me, and didnt expect it. I am a hunter and get annoyed by those few hunters that spoil it for all of us.
 
A little over the top for sure. It would not take any more effort for them to respond in the same polite manner in which you asked for permission.
 
Trotter said:
I put up no hunting signs on our property because people just park and walk in and hunt, without asking. It ticked me off that people pulled their vehicles onto private property (farm land) and just hunted, no asking. No trespassing signs went up fast. I would have let them hunt if they have asked. I called the one person who did ask permission to tell him to ignore those signs and have a happy hunt. Good guy, brings up venison peperoni every year as a thank you.

Another story, I got permission to hunt turkey elsewhere and did so. opening day i hear BANG right behind me, in a NO NUNTING (i know so) area. Within 5 minutes, a quad started and took off. That shot was DANGER close to me, and didnt expect it. I am a hunter and get annoyed by those few hunters that spoil it for all of us.
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I hunt a couple of Farms where the Farmer has given more than one hunter use of the land. Over the years we have learned to share and know when one or the other will be there as not to infringe on each others hunt.
 
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