BC LEH Draw results are up
- Thread starter drache
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Mt. Meager. I have dreamed of hunting that area ever since doing some of the fieldwork for the population study. Sweet alpine and some beautiful spires.
Adding a blacktail from the meadows would just round out the picture. 
I was talking to my hunting buddy yesterday and the words that came out of his mouth.....
I think we'all need to take those greenpeacers fishing?
I am curious as to how many LEH draws are filled by non hunters?
Toss in a card or two, win and toss out a card or two.
I have said it before and I'll say it again.
One should have a valid hunting licence to apply to the LEH.
I would even say that one should have a valid species tag for the same
LEH.
That would sure cut out most of the crap.
I have heard hunters say they don't buy a licence until they are successful with
this lotto chit.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........
I think we'all need to take those greenpeacers fishing?
I am curious as to how many LEH draws are filled by non hunters?
Toss in a card or two, win and toss out a card or two.
I have said it before and I'll say it again.
One should have a valid hunting licence to apply to the LEH.
I would even say that one should have a valid species tag for the same
LEH.
That would sure cut out most of the crap.
I have heard hunters say they don't buy a licence until they are successful with
this lotto chit.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........
I thought one did need to have a hunting licence to apply to the LEH?
As for the species licence, well, its already expensive enough...you wanna pay more for a lottery?
Mt. Meager. I have dreamed of hunting that area ever since doing some of the fieldwork for the population study. Sweet alpine and some beautiful spires.
Probably want to find another lawn. Meager is a looong way away from my house.
What are your plans for access? Use a boat to cross the river or?
I thought one did need to have a hunting licence to apply to the LEH?
As for the species licence, well, its already expensive enough...you wanna pay more for a lottery?
You need a Hunter Number, not a license.
I don't know why we use our method instead of the one in Alberta.
In Alberta:
1. Each draw costs $3.65
2. You can enter via internet, phone or in person at the license issuers
3. There is a draw priority system
4. If you do not purchase your reserved special licence, your draw priority level will be reduced to zero for the next year.
Beaver Skin
CGN Regular
- Location
- Lower Mainland, BC
No doe....again.
Why? I looked through the Alberta guide and results, and it seems good. You could either go for the hunts that are less in demand and get draws every couple of years, or hold out for tougher draws like Bison and VI Elk and get the draw every 9 or 10 years. Mind you that latter situation means you won't be hunting LEH elk anywhere for that time, but if that is what you want, you will at least get a chance to shoot a VI elk.
And I also like the idea of Alberta selling undersubscribed draw licenses.
Do you mean like to be re issued ? That would be fantastic cause so many people put in for a fantasy hunt in may and by aug/sept they clue in that it is a couple 1000 kms and 10 days off work they can't spare. Speculative LEH entry is a plague. IMHO if you are not 90 % sure you can do the hunt you should step aside.
It is in everyone's best interest to get these resident tags filled if they are not filled they will disapear. USe it or loose it.
Anyone been in the 7-19/7-20 country west of Wapiti Lk and east of Monkman Park and south of Chambers ridge?
Got a goat draw in there.
There are 3 very distinct and widely seperated areas that scream goat would love any info by PM or can share my info if you got one of the other tags.
Got a goat draw in there.
There are 3 very distinct and widely seperated areas that scream goat would love any info by PM or can share my info if you got one of the other tags.
Hey guys,
Can i get some help on the meanings of GOS and LEH.
from what i gather residents can buy a tag for any animal in BC? for a price!?
an thats for Public land or private property you can accesss.
An then there is a lottery for Certain back blocks where only you an minimal number of persons will have access to , an your tag is almost a lucky dip?
did read the whole thread, its interesting.. considering we buy a hunting permit an there is no tags or limits for my state
Can i get some help on the meanings of GOS and LEH.
from what i gather residents can buy a tag for any animal in BC? for a price!?
an thats for Public land or private property you can accesss.
An then there is a lottery for Certain back blocks where only you an minimal number of persons will have access to , an your tag is almost a lucky dip?
did read the whole thread, its interesting.. considering we buy a hunting permit an there is no tags or limits for my state
GOS is general open season
LEH is limited entry hunt, i.e a lottery for hunts that require a bit more management. i.e easily accessiable goats, sheep etc.
LEH and GOS apply to public and private land IIRC though 80% of B.C is Public land. There are a few exceptions where seasons only apply to private land but mostly for the protection of agriculture or property.
Species limits in B.C are little inconvinience. There is always something to hunt. If you can't fill 4 freezers from GOS hunts with in a half days drive of home you aint trying very hard.
The B.C regulations are online and might give you a reason to emigrate to paradise.
LEH is limited entry hunt, i.e a lottery for hunts that require a bit more management. i.e easily accessiable goats, sheep etc.
LEH and GOS apply to public and private land IIRC though 80% of B.C is Public land. There are a few exceptions where seasons only apply to private land but mostly for the protection of agriculture or property.
Species limits in B.C are little inconvinience. There is always something to hunt. If you can't fill 4 freezers from GOS hunts with in a half days drive of home you aint trying very hard.
The B.C regulations are online and might give you a reason to emigrate to paradise.
fatbastard
Regular
- Location
- Prince George, BC
Sent in five LEH again this year and again no luck three years in a row now.
Think this is the last year for me.
Think this is the last year for me.
Right from the LEH horses mouth:
2. This is probably the single biggest question I get asked. Here is
the answer:
WHY BC DOES NOT USE A POINT PREFERENCE SYSTEM FOR ALLOCATING L.E. HUNTS
Point preference systems and pool systems (which are very similar) are
used in a number of North American jurisdictions. Alberta uses a
system in which points are accumulated each time an individual applies
unsuccessfully. Draws are preferentially given to those with the most
points first; the second most points second, and so on. When the system
reaches a point level where there are more applicants than remaining
available licences, the available licences are randomly assigned at that
point level. Upon being drawn, an applicant's points are deleted and
they start accumulating from zero again.
In 2005, Alberta had 213,749 applications for 71,950 available licences,
with overall average odds of 2.97 to 1. With such odds, on average,
applicants would be drawn roughly every 3 years even in a completely
random system. In B.C.'s 2005 draw, we received 151,972 applications for
26,476 available authorizations for overall average odds of 5.74 to 1,
nearly twice the average odds in Alberta.
If you examine Alberta's hunts in detail, you find that some of their
hunts are very easy to get, with many hunts in their WMU's actually
going undersubscribed. Eleven of their twenty-three categories have a
20% or better overall success rate (ie, odds of 5 to 1 or better),
encompassing 168,613 of their total 213,749 applications (79%). For
these hunts, their system will work very nicely, with people getting
drawn once every 5 years or better. However, with their high odds hunts,
it's a different story. If you want to hunt sheep in Alberta, you will
wait many years to reach the highest point level. In fact, some of
Alberta's sheep and goat hunts are not on a priority system because they
recognize that the demand is so high that nobody would get to hunt until
they reached extreme age. Fortunately, relatively few of Alberta's LEH
opportunities have such high demand, so overall their system meets their
needs.
In B.C. we are not so fortunate. In the 2005 draw, 286 of our 951 LEH
hunts had odds of 10 to 1 or higher, 161 hunts had odds of 20 to 1 or
higher and in 120 cases, the odds were 30 to 1 or higher. In some cases,
they were as high as 600 to 1. In fact, only 465 (about half) of our
hunts had odds of 5 to one or better. These 465 hunts represented only
39,834 applications out of a total of 151,972, therefore, only 26% or
our total applications were for hunts with odds of 5 to 1 or better. In
Alberta, about 80% of applicants are drawn after 3 attempts. In B.C.,
only 13% (19,751) of applicants faced odds of 3 to 1 or better in the
2005 draw, so no such turnover is possible here. Carrying the analysis
further, 41% (62,584) of our applications were for hunts with odds
greater than 10 to 1, 28% (42,992) of our applications were for hunts
with odds greater than 20 to 1 and 24% (36,690 ) of our applications
were for hunts with odds greater than 30 to 1. What this all means is
that if we go to a priority system, nearly half of our applicants can
expect to wait at least a decade, if not many times that, before they
will have any chance of being drawn. In a very few years, for many
hunts, the priority list will be so long that no new person taking up
hunting will have an opportunity to hunt prior to advanced age. Can you
imagine a teenager paying money annually to enter a system that might
provide them with a chance to hunt when they're 65 years old? Having
examined our odds situation, we believe that asking hunters to pay for
so many years before they have any chance of being drawn would be
fraudulent. Indeed, in the early 1980's, Montana scrapped their priority
system for elk because they found that nobody under a certain age would
draw a licence in their lifetime.
One suggestion we have considered relates to periods of ineligibility.
For example, we could decide that once a person has drawn a particular
species, they are not allowed to apply for some period of time.
Unfortunately, for many hunts, even once in a lifetime opportunities
don't help much. Using bison as an example, up to 2006, 38,153 people
have applied for bison in all of the draws that have ever been offered,
but only 1,454 have ever been drawn. If those 1,454 individuals were
barred from ever applying again, that would still leave 36,699 people
applying for 79 licences in the 2006 draw... not much of an improvement.
Additionally, periods of ineligibility have been offered to the BC
Wildlife Federation, but disagreement around the length of such periods
is always intense.
THE BC APPROACH
In British Columbia, we have developed a system we call 'enhanced odds'.
Rather than reward unsuccessful applicants, we reduce the chances of
previously successful applicants. All applicants that are drawn have
their chances reduced by 50% in the following year. In the case of
successful applicants for moose and Roosevelt elk, their chances are
reduced by 66% for the following three draws. This is done for all
species except deer, and the method was developed with the approval of
the BC Wildlife Federation.
The beauty of this system is that it does not discriminate against first
time applicants and it self-adjusts according to demand. If very few
people apply for a given hunt, then the system will automatically adjust
the odds reduction to less than 50% (or less than 66% for moose and
Roosevelt elk). This does not happen very often, but there are always a
few hunts that have low subscription, so there is no point in denying
opportunity to any applicant. This system does not eliminate repeat
success, but it keeps it at a low level.
The two main concerns with point systems are the length of turn-over
time for high odds hunts and the potential for these turn-over times to
discourage hunter recruitment. That being said, introducing a point
system for the compulsory inspection species (caribou, goats, grizzlies
and sheep) may be feasible if hunters want it. These are not entry
level species, so lengthy wait times would not significantly discourage
hunter recruitment.
See the whole thread here:
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?11203-Ask-your-LEH-questions-here
Lots of questions asked and answered.
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?11203-Ask-your-LEH-questions-here
Lots of questions asked and answered.
