Can a Glock be a Precision tool?

OP; my first post was a joke to a certain extent. "Not in my hands"= I suffer from the 9 o'clock syndrome @ 25 yards + I dislike the trigger. Case in point...I put the same Glock in my Roni w red dot and its "all rounds in the 10 ring at 50 yards :eek: and yea, the trigger still sucks but the gun is certainly capable...just not in my hands :). Although I had a witness I didn't and generally don't keep my targets. Next time I'm out I'll vid it if I remember.
 
"You shooting full wadcutters in that glock Ganderite? Don't see a lot of that."

Nope. For some reason I did not mark the load on the target. I guess i shot it as part of a practice, not as part of a load development. I looked up the load in the log book. It was shot in May, 2011 - the last time I shot it. Load was an AIM plated 190gr Flat point bullet. Looks like a SWC without the shoulder. It does punch a nice hole, doesn't it?

Powder charge was 4.7 gr of IPP (Unique speed). It is mild. Max is about 7gr.
 
Canuck44 said:
True but that isn't the question posed. Mechanically the Glock is not capable of precision shooting, nor was it designed to be. Comparing a Glock to a 1911 is like comparing a farm tractor to a Ferrari. Both are vehicles with four wheels but...

Guys are claiming 2" at 15 yards with a Glock. A well tuned 1911 will do 1/2" 25 yards and an inch at 50. My CZ97B will do 2" at 25 yards from a rest with young eyes looking at the sights.

Take Care

Bob
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Here's the issue Bob. We haven't yet defined precision shooter nor have we decided on a set distance. I say 25 yards is the norm/standard for max standard handgun range. As for precision. It depends on the purpose. 2" groups at that range with any service pistol is more than adequate. Consistent hits on a human at 50 yards is pure gravy.

As for glock vs tuned 1911. The 1911 was never designed for precision work either. It like the glock can be ####ed with to squeeze every bit of user friendly function from it in an effort to maximize the shooters performance. However, I have yet to see a custom 1911 run as long or as hard as any glock I've seen and not take a #### in the process. Again it comes down to purpose. A stock glock is designed for shooting people. It does that on demand and almost without fail. A tuned 1911 is favored by competitors and the sky is the limit as far as price goes. But do you really get a better system for the money? I think not. The 1911 is a finicky design that requires a skilled and knowledgeable user to keep it running. More so with tuned/custom guns.

I've posted this before and I will do so again. A few years back I schooled a guy with an Sti grandmaster pistol with cmore optic. He couldn't hit #### and it choked repeatedly with factory ammo. I ran my glock 17 with standard 3 dot night sights at the time. Was or is the Sti a more accurate gun? Sure. Was it apparent that day? Nope not at all. Glocks like any other service pistol are more than capable of placing rounds where the skilled operator wants them. Provided the operator does their part.

Tdc
 
Glock as a precision tool? Nope, not really. Glock is a service pistol plain and simple.

That doesn't mean glocks can't shoot accurately, or be made more accurate by modifying or substituting parts.

In reality, IMO, you would have to shoot a gun from at pistol vise at either 50 or 75 yards and see if the groups are what you would consider 'precision'.

My normal size groups around 25y with a relatively fast tempo is around 8-12". That was with my stock G17, I think I might be able to do better with my newer G34
 
so one afternoon i Borrowed TDC's G17 that i had previously only fired 100 rnds through after a almost 30 year holiday from shooting
here is a pic of the target from the first 30 rounds shot from the G17 it took me 60 seconds to go through 3 mags
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i now own a SAM 1911-9mm military with nothing done to it other than having white dots put on the factory sights here is a pic of
36 rnds 4 mags shot in 78 seconds

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this is my GSG 1911-22 30 rnds 3 mags 60 sec

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all 3 were shot at 7meters (23 feet) on different days but none the less
all about the same as far as accuracy is concerned
I have only put about 500 through the G17
4500 through the SAM 11911-9MM
4500 through the GSG 1911-22

i feel that if i put as many rnds through the G17 i would shoot it as well as i do my 1911's
so the way i see it
its the shooter that is inaccurate not the gun
 
Ok now do it at 25metres one handed. I'll note that nobody has dealt with what the gun is capable out of a machine rest, and that is the ultimate test of accuracy.
 
what seems to be your issue T&G
i added relevant info to the thread with pictures of the targets as the OP asked for
as for doing it one handed at 25 M i shoot at a distance that i like holding the gun as i like not as someone else thinks i should
having shot both types of guns and find neither better than the other just different

if you can't add anything useful to the thread then don't post
 
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1911s are typically easier to shoot accurately than Glocks on account of the short, light trigger.

A tuned 1911 will, obviously, be more accurate than a factory Glock. A factory 1911 won't necessarily exhibit more mechanical accuracy than a factory Glock.

Glocks typically magnify the failings of shooters because they are lightweight guns with triggers that break a little heavily, and there is nothing else to blame problems on because they generally work fine and have extremely simple controls.

If you can't shoot well, a Glock will not mask your inabilities. A 1911 will, and a da/sa gun will if you are shooting it casually and don't have to worry about movement etc.

If you can shoot pistols, a Glock presents no specific challenge - they are easy to shoot fairly accurately.
 
GunGuy34 said:
Maybe im asking too much when im shooting, but i want all my hits to fit under my hand. That should be possible with a Glock.
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Gunguy34 I have a Glock 17 and have found it to be quite accurate. Without a doubt the trigger is firm and stiffer than any target pistol. That said it works very well for its intended purpose. You can stage the trigger to get good accuracy, you just need to remember the fundamentals of any handgun shooting. Master proper trigger control and your shots will be fine with a Glock or most any quality handgun. If you want a pistol that is set up for bulls-eye shooting your not looking for a Glock; get a CZ 75 Shadow.

My Glock 17 is one of my favorite pistols, its a great combat pistol and I have found it shoots very well as do my friends. Heres my first slowly fired shots on its first day to the range. It actually surprised me and is great fun to shoot. This is from 25 metres taking my time. If you like a Glock go get one and have fun. I have since polished the inside and put in a Ghost trigger bar which also smooths things out more. Everything said this pistol is better suited to combat drills.
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I've posted this before and I will do so again. A few years back I schooled a guy with an Sti grandmaster pistol with cmore optic. He couldn't hit s**t and it choked repeatedly with factory ammo.
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The Grandmaster shouldn't run on factory ammo, it is specifically set up to run hand loaded to Major PF ammo. It can run factory but would need some tweaking. Definitely lighter springs and possibly lightened slide.
There's a misconception that an Open gun will do all the work for you and is easy to shoot. It's more like an open wheel race car, yes it's faster, but much harder to drive than a family sedan.
 
T&G said:
Ok now do it at 25metres one handed. I'll note that nobody has dealt with what the gun is capable out of a machine rest, and that is the ultimate test of accuracy.
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I agree that a ransom rest is the best way to test the inherent accuracy of a handgun. What shooting one handed has to do with anything I don't know.

TDC
 
misanthropist said:
1911s are typically easier to shoot accurately than Glocks on account of the short, light trigger.

A tuned 1911 will, obviously, be more accurate than a factory Glock. A factory 1911 won't necessarily exhibit more mechanical accuracy than a factory Glock.

Glocks typically magnify the failings of shooters because they are lightweight guns with triggers that break a little heavily, and there is nothing else to blame problems on because they generally work fine and have extremely simple controls.

If you can't shoot well, a Glock will not mask your inabilities. A 1911 will, and a da/sa gun will if you are shooting it casually and don't have to worry about movement etc.

If you can shoot pistols, a Glock presents no specific challenge - they are easy to shoot fairly accurately.
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Well said sir...

TDC
 
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