The .300 Debate

The .300H&H is a long son-of-a-##### of a cartridge alright. But every time I fire mine, the critter lays down and dies, so any concern about a quick second shot is just BS anyway.

I love the way the .300H&H digests the 200-220 grain bullets, and love the logic behind using it for that reason.

I'm not stuck on the traditional type cartridges; I found a few modern cartridges that work: .338WM, .480Ruger, .17HMR, .416RM.

Somebody else already said it; the truth is, if the .30-06 won't do it, then go to something bigger diameter.

Pretty much no valid argument between any of the various .300s other than using the one that suits your own ideas.
 
cam1936 said:
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I tried to find this long action you mention on my new rifle but have not been able to locate it.

.300 H&H reigns supreme!
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Some of us require more than one round. :redface: :p
 
bearkilr said:
Some of us require more than one round. :redface: :p
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Haha in all honesty the .300 WM is the more practical cartridge. In a No. 1 though why not take the classic?

Really any of the .30 cals do the same thing, some just a little further out than a few others. That is of course assuming the gun and the shooter are capable.
 
Hotwheels81 said:
Sounds like a simple effective and cheap means of solving the problem...

So let me get this straight... You fellas touch off 300wm around your friends and family while hunting without ear protection and without a muzzle brake?
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Yes. You know people who hunt with hearing protection?
 
Hearing protection while hunting=no game animals! Lol! Its personal choice I guess.

Mind you, I use hearing protection for EVERY SINGLE ROUND I FIRE WHILE "NOT" hunting. My ears thank me!

The few rounds fired while hunting dont amount to diddly normally.
 
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bearkilr said:
Sadly, yes, I've seen them. They're generally the ones with braked guns. :D
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Ouch... 158db+ worth of ouch...
A brake bumps that up to around 165db

Sad that you folks would expose unprotected friends and family let alone ones self to what is possibly immediately damaging noise levels...
 
Hotwheels81 said:
Ouch... 158db+ worth of ouch...
A brake bumps that up to around 165db

Sad that you folks would expose unprotected friends and family let alone ones self to what is possibly immediately damaging noise levels...
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Normally little guns like .300 magnums ands .22 Hornets don't need brakes, but once we get into the big case 375s some seem to find them beneficial. But I absolutely disagree with your assessment of the effect of a braked rifle on an unprotected ear. Its far more severe than you suggest, particularly from a rifle that actually needs one.

The problem is not so much the amount of noise that's generated at the muzzle, its where that sound is directed. If the sound is pushed away from the shooter, he doesn't suffer much from it's effect, but when directed back at him, thats another matter. The only time I felt noise discomfort with my .375 Ultra 20" carbine was when shooting while facing into the wind, but a snap shot with a pal's braked .375 H&H left my ears with that under water feeling for 3 days. The same thing happened to him when he engaged a polar bear along side his house one day, funny, the bear didn't seem interested in waiting until he dawned his hearing protection! That never happened to me shooting with a plain muzzled rifle, regardless of its bore size, or powder capacity.

There are no muzzle brakes in my future, not on my .375, not on my .458, and not on any of my .30 caliber rifles. In my world we sometimes shoot on short notice. That is not to say I don't advocate the use of proper hearing protection on the range, I do. But off range, you can't always be sure that you'll have time to put it on. The bump on the shoulder is nothing to be concerned about, but the risk of hearing damage from shooting a braked rifle on short notice is all out of proportion with its minimal benefit.
 
Not much real world difference between most of the mid range300's like 300H&H,30-338,WSM, Weatherby and Winchester. Pick the one you like. The really big ones like 30-378 and 300RUM are pretty pointless IMHO. If I want to burn that much powder I will want to go to a larger caliber.

Not that it really matters, but WSMs handle 200 grain bullets just fine, BTW. Velocity is as expected- just slightly shy of the 300WM.
 
There are different types of hunting. If you walk around alot you can't have ear protection on but if you're sitting in a stand over apples then I guess you can. I would never hunt with a rifle that was braked as my hearing is far to important to me. There are some new electronic ear protectors out there that may change everything one day, but for now it's no breaks for hunting/without ear protection on.

As for recoil, a few years ago I was hunting with my wife. Just had one gun along cause I wanted to give it a go. Sako 75 in 375 H&H with full power 270gr tsx loads. We saw a buck and my wife decided she wanted to put him in the freezer. She did just that and when I asked her after how the kick was she 100% honestly said she didn't even realize the rifle kick at all. Edit: Wife is 5'2".

Cheers
 
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Normally little guns like .300 magnums ands .22 Hornets don't need brakes, but once we get into the big case 375s some seem to find them beneficial. But I absolutely disagree with your assessment of the effect of a braked rifle on an unprotected ear. Its far more severe than you suggest, particularly from a rifle that actually needs one.
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See for yourself
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I've always been in the recoil is mind over matter, and recoil won't hurt you camp. Now, sitting here with a torn rotator cuff I'm not so sure anymore.:(


Not that a little .300 needs one, but they do make it easier to spot your own hits.
 
Dogleg said:
I've always been in the recoil is mind over matter, and recoil won't hurt you camp. Now, sitting here with a torn rotator cuff I'm not so sure anymore.:(


Not that a little .300 needs one, but they do make it easier to spot your own hits.
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I have a similar problem. I tore my right a number of years back and with the degree of strength and range of movement remaining, the decission was made not to operate on and correct at that point in time. At work, I was behind a desk but had I still been on the tools, I would've had to get something done. I have nowhere near the throwing ability I used to have but the situation did seem to improve a little over time. Suprisingly, archery seemed to strengthen the shoulder somewhat. A couple of years ago, visiting in Sherwood Park, shooting my son in laws custom 375 H&H painfully reminded me of the problem. The solution for me, as long as I keep my right elbow tucked down, bunching up the shoulder muscle, no problem with anything I have in the cabnet, up to and including my Winchester model 70 in 458WM.
 
Johnn Peterson said:
I have a similar problem. I tore my right a number of years back and with the degree of strength and range of movement remaining, the decission was made not to operate on and correct at that point in time. At work, I was behind a desk but had I still been on the tools, I would've had to get something done. I have nowhere near the throwing ability I used to have but the situation did seem to improve a little over time. Suprisingly, archery seemed to strengthen the shoulder somewhat. A couple of years ago, visiting in Sherwood Park, shooting my son in laws custom 375 H&H painfully reminded me of the problem. The solution for me, as long as I keep my right elbow tucked down, bunching up the shoulder muscle, no problem with anything I have in the cabnet, up to and including my Winchester model 70 in 458WM.
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I'm getting by by keeping my elbow down, and avoiding the biggest ones for awhile. Sudden movements will get me Kiiyiing like a kicked coyote, but within a certain range its OK.

Lousy timeing too, I've got an Australian cull next month. Its going to get interesting.
 
300 H&H-300WSM=180gr 2950 fps
300Win-300 WBY= 180gr 3100-3200 fps

PEAS IN A POD animal don't know the difference, only we do with our Chronny's!!! lol

Hunted and shot over 40 deer, goats, black bears with the 300 H&H, WIN and WBY. Take your pick they are all good :)
 
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