Recommendation for Improvements on NEA rifles & Company.
- Thread starter Leibermuster
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If final product questionable after anodizing, offer the Upper/Lower or complete unit as a "Factory Second/Blem" at a discounted price & terms like others do.
You eliminate stock, still generate some revenue & the end user is aware/agrees it's a blem or second from the get-go. Win-Win situation all the way around
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winnipegger
CGN frequent flyer
LOL after that last thread was "unexpectededly" locked I alsmot created a thread titled post pics of your poorly finished ar15's Hahahah u sorta beat me to it
How about general openness and honesty…
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7443144&postcount=7
Receivers covered in tooling marks are not typical, but tooling marks are standard?
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7443144&postcount=7
Receivers covered in tooling marks are not typical, but tooling marks are standard?
easy for you to say
i like the factory second discount idea seems fair.
not knowing the manufacturing process i wouldn't know how to clean these things up bead blasting or something not sure.
as i said in my now mysteriously locked thread(it was just turning into a pissing match anyways) the lower is pretty decent as far as finish goes the rail is even pretty good only the upper had some ugly marks on the ejection port area and the deflector. the little swirls don't really bother me if they stood out more maybe they would.
I bought this gun to shoot. if it shoots good and functions good i am happy. cosmetically shouldn't all of them be held to a standard? and if does not meet standard then reduce the price "factory seconds".
don't want to be accused of "shillin'" but I think as long as NEA can deal with peoples concerns they should do well.
oh yeah IBTL +1
I wish they'd hire a PR person for their internet posts.
They've produced quite a few inconsistent posts where they've used confusing, or inconsistent language to describe a product;
I've seen two different descriptions for a barrel profile in the same thread and a third for the actual product on their website. They then try and say that I'm confusing three different runs of slightly different barrels. When I point out to them where I got my info they nuke my posts and edit all the info to what it should have been in the first place.
They state USGI trigger pull spec is something like 10-15lbs to justify the heavy triggers on their rifles yet the actual spec is between 5.5-8.5lbs.
Bolt carriers described as 4140 on the forum but website says carpenter 158
Using the excuse that their "clients" prefer commercial buffer tubes, so that's why they don't use milspec. This was right after saying they plan on making milspec tubes in the same post. So which is it? They also say that every AR owner should own a castle nut wrench in order to maintain their rifles.
That's all that comes to mind at the moment. The fit and finish thing isn't a huge issue to me, like they say, the entire upper and lower are machined from a block, you're going to have more tooling marks than compared to a forging which has limited machining done on the exterior surface. These rifles are meant to be performers, not beauty queens.
No doubt this will soon be exported to their subforum.
They've produced quite a few inconsistent posts where they've used confusing, or inconsistent language to describe a product;
I've seen two different descriptions for a barrel profile in the same thread and a third for the actual product on their website. They then try and say that I'm confusing three different runs of slightly different barrels. When I point out to them where I got my info they nuke my posts and edit all the info to what it should have been in the first place.
They state USGI trigger pull spec is something like 10-15lbs to justify the heavy triggers on their rifles yet the actual spec is between 5.5-8.5lbs.
Bolt carriers described as 4140 on the forum but website says carpenter 158
Using the excuse that their "clients" prefer commercial buffer tubes, so that's why they don't use milspec. This was right after saying they plan on making milspec tubes in the same post. So which is it? They also say that every AR owner should own a castle nut wrench in order to maintain their rifles.
That's all that comes to mind at the moment. The fit and finish thing isn't a huge issue to me, like they say, the entire upper and lower are machined from a block, you're going to have more tooling marks than compared to a forging which has limited machining done on the exterior surface. These rifles are meant to be performers, not beauty queens.
No doubt this will soon be exported to their subforum.
North Eastern Arms
Manufacturer-Business Member
We have made 3 Different profile shotgun barrels.
Where did we say that? Our rifles now ship with a 6-7lb spring thats made in Canada.
Carriers are tool steel, bolts are carpenter steel
Can we not do both? You say you want one product, we say ok, we'll give it to you. You then say Whts up, why are you flip flopping. You know what. Some people will never be happy regardless. So we're going to keep on keeping on. The overwelming majority of our customers have been very happy. We will focus on them.
If someone has some constructive suggestions or critism, we've always been receptive to that and will continue to be so.
Do you know what a PR guy would say? Stay off forums. Like everyone else in our shoes does..
This is a public thread and NEA should know that the point of this thread is for the public not dealers/shills..and other third party interest to take away integrity of it's purpose.
I would prefer NEA to stay out of the thread and take all the suggestions and opinions in too help improve there product line and company. I can't remember where any other company has the power too move a thread started by a independent member with no affiliation to any company and just move it to there company forum and do what they please with it.
I find this trend to be an inherent conflict of interests that discredits CGN...
I would prefer NEA to stay out of the thread and take all the suggestions and opinions in too help improve there product line and company. I can't remember where any other company has the power too move a thread started by a independent member with no affiliation to any company and just move it to there company forum and do what they please with it.
I find this trend to be an inherent conflict of interests that discredits CGN...
Huge improvement for the company would for them to BE COMPLETELY HONEST.
But I highly doubt that, as the name of the game is $$$$ and when you are producing the same rifle EVERYONE else has for years......you are going to do whatever to one up your product over others whom make the SAME THING.
NEA gives $$$ to CGN, he can do whatever cause he is paying a bunch, so everything has shown so far.......way to go GREED on both parties side.
But I highly doubt that, as the name of the game is $$$$ and when you are producing the same rifle EVERYONE else has for years......you are going to do whatever to one up your product over others whom make the SAME THING.
NEA gives $$$ to CGN, he can do whatever cause he is paying a bunch, so everything has shown so far.......way to go GREED on both parties side.
Somewhere around 50lbs I've been told.
We use Military grade springs that will break in at between 8-12lbs as any proper fighting rifle should. Should the user need a lighter more sporting pull, they're compatible with any milspec parts kit.
We adopted a small boy from Mozambique to test fire the rifles. We figure if he can pull the trigger on one of our rifles, so should you.
My apologies, you stated 8-12lbs, not 10-15. The rest of the sentence seems to imply that they meet (or met) mil specs.
You've already edited your original post where you told me the carriers are 4140 and bolts carpenter 158. No doubt because you realized that your website says they're 8620 tool steel. I'm sure you'll edit the thread where you say they're 4140 shortly (probably as I type this). ETA: It took you a few days but you did it, no more mention of material specs, maybe you don't even know what they are?
Can you do both buffer tubes, sure why not.
I know you've made three different profile barrels. However this was in the latest thread. http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=764131. You'll notice that the first two posts that refer to the barrel profile have been edited. You'll also notice that can't find any posts by me asking why in the hell is your language describing the product differ in the exact same thread. That's because you nuked my posts and edited yours. But why am I explaining this to you, you already know what happened. This is sort of stuff that I'm talking about, pretending like you don't know what I'm saying.
I'm not trying to get into an argument, and my comments are meant as constructive criticism, hope you take them as such.
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North Eastern Arms
Manufacturer-Business Member
I have a suggestion....
Mods move all NEA threads to NEA`s own forum...
People complain that the koolaid they bought don`t taste right and complain in black forum....
NEA comforts complaining owners by PM and then on here with the " make it right" and " don`t know how that ever got by us" etc..
Then these same people after dissing the product are new found NEA koolaid drinkers again and back on team NEA
leave the drama off black rifle forum
Mods move all NEA threads to NEA`s own forum...
People complain that the koolaid they bought don`t taste right and complain in black forum....
NEA comforts complaining owners by PM and then on here with the " make it right" and " don`t know how that ever got by us" etc..
Then these same people after dissing the product are new found NEA koolaid drinkers again and back on team NEA
leave the drama off black rifle forum
I have a suggestion....
Mods move all NEA threads to NEA`s own forum...
People complain that the koolaid they bought don`t taste right and complain in black forum....
NEA comforts complaining owners by PM and then on here with the " make it right" and " don`t know how that ever got by us" etc..
Then these same people after dissing the product are new found NEA koolaid drinkers again and back on team NEA
leave the drama off black rifle forum
WTF no, dude you are derailing this thread, did you not read what this thread was for..........
I want straight suggestion to get this company on the right track, not get the thread taken to NEA so it will be locked and deleted and get know where.
There is no drama but the content of your post, if you have a suggestion for NEA then offer one, or refrain from posting in this thread. Thanks
Shrtrd made a good suggestion in regards to selling end trails/sub-par product that are non-functioning or not effecting the operation of the rifle, so defects at a discount would be great. KAC does this and are very smart too especially for guys like me that don't care about little dings and scratches for the most part. That being said if I'm paying $1100 plus for an AR I think the fit & finish should be done properly and comparable to the competition when considering the price.
SUGGESTIONS ONLY IN POINT FORM WITH EXPLANATION IS FINE.
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Runningfool
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- SW Ontario
I have a suggestion....
Mods move all NEA threads to NEA`s own forum...
People complain that the koolaid they bought don`t taste right and complain in black forum....
NEA comforts complaining owners by PM and then on here with the " make it right" and " don`t know how that ever got by us" etc..
Then these same people after dissing the product are new found NEA koolaid drinkers again and back on team NEA
leave the drama off black rifle forum
You forgot the middle part where several norc owners chime in claiming a superior finish on their first gen m4geries as well as over a jillion rounds with no FTF/FTEs!
#1bcshooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- North Of The DMZ (US border)
You forgot the middle part where several norc owners chime in claiming a superior finish on their first gen m4geries as well as over a jillion rounds with no FTF/FTEs!
Well it was superior to the pic's that were posted
