338 federal

tylerjwitty said:
110tsx 308 will do 3300

.30 barnes 46 $
.338 barnes 53$

cabelas canada

hornaday match

.30 208gr 39$ for 100
.338 285gr 47$ for 50
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46$ to 53$ means nothing in the grand scheme of things, and t'were it me and I was in high-BC gong smashing mode with a 338F chamber nearby Id be reaching for a 45$ box of 100, 225 grain SSTs with mondo wind-buckage :D

The 338F is good at what it does....replacing the 308 and 358 in the medium range hunting category.

A 338WM or RUM it is not...


Andrew...your arguing is quite aggressive...i like it :D 24 hrs rubbing off on you too ...let the anger flow oh great and ugly ogre....


And hey...i march ATLEAST 40 feet of up in a day :D
 
WOW.....What a heated discussion on what is probably THE MOST INSIGNIFICANT cartridge to come down the pike in the last 20 years. May I inject some reality in this discussion, the 338 Fed is nothing but a poor attempt to grab 358 Win maketplace. It does nothing better than the 358 Win and doesn't come close to the 350 RM, it is no contest to the 325 WSM. As far as comparing to the 338 WM it's like comparing the 358 Win to the 358 NM. DUHHHHH, there is no comparison, just like there is no comparison between a 7mm-08 and a 7mm RM or a 308 and a 300 WM. There is no unfilled niche that makes the 338 Fed needed or viable or practical. I don't care what action you put it in, the 358 Win and 350 RM are still better, as is the 325 WSM. Hell, the 308 is a better cartridge, anyone want to argue that?
The 338 Fed is nothing but a "whizzbang whats-ya-ma-call-it widget" marketing wonder, which in my opinion will die a relatively quick death leaving that niche filled by the 358 Win, 350 RM, 35 Whelen and 325 WSM.

Besides when it comes to the 33 bore there is but one and that was invented by Roy.
 
sdlonyer said:
I hunt with a Tikka in .338 Federal...it is light enough to be comfortable if carried all day.
It has recoil like a .308...it puts 210 grain Nosler partitions into small groups out as far as I am likely to see moose or deer.
It has a place in hunting in forested areas. IMHO
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This is the Truth. especially in Australia for Stalking Sambar deer.. the Fed has the slight edge over the Parent 308 in take down power an penetration.
definatley not to be compared to a WM



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rem338win said:
OKAY.......speshul times for speshul people I guess. I don't currently own a .338 but love the caliber. Rem and Win are generic; so simple it hurts.

You started the "vs" by making some ridiculous statements and are now skirting the argument by calling me unreasonable with no basis, other than claiming I must be bias due to my handle. That's a face palm moment.

If your reading comprehension was at the level you think it is you would have noticed I did praise the .338-08, and I like it for what it is. But it isn't a .338 Win Mag and never will be even close. I never said X sucks or that X was better. You did.

And I find it ironic that some Onty is telling me that they only shoot big animals, and elk don't make the cut. FWIW, our Roosevelt elk on the island make your 30" paddle head moose from Thunder Bay look like the skinny third grader standing on the diving board. And our moose normally average a wee bit larger than yours out there as well (blame it on the latitude). All mine have went less than 50yds as well, and I happen to stretch 550yds on real game animals often enough to see what happens when you do instead of watching WildTV and dreaming about it (like bullets not doing their job when they hit at (2000fps). But size, distance and s**t like that may not matter to you much, as most of you guys walk 30ft of elevation in a day dressed like a pylon and haul your "big" animals out whole with an ATV all of 500m from your nearest road. Mine more often make it out on my back a mite farther and higher than yours.

Thanks for the insight though, sounds like you Toronto ain't far enough.
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c-fbmi said:
WOW.....What a heated discussion on what is probably THE MOST INSIGNIFICANT cartridge to come down the pike in the last 20 years. May I inject some reality in this discussion, the 338 Fed is nothing but a poor attempt to grab 358 Win maketplace. It does nothing better than the 358 Win and doesn't come close to the 350 RM, it is no contest to the 325 WSM. As far as comparing to the 338 WM it's like comparing the 358 Win to the 358 NM. DUHHHHH, there is no comparison, just like there is no comparison between a 7mm-08 and a 7mm RM or a 308 and a 300 WM. There is no unfilled niche that makes the 338 Fed needed or viable or practical. I don't care what action you put it in, the 358 Win and 350 RM are still better, as is the 325 WSM. Hell, the 308 is a better cartridge, anyone want to argue that?
The 338 Fed is nothing but a "whizzbang whats-ya-ma-call-it widget" marketing wonder, which in my opinion will die a relatively quick death leaving that niche filled by the 358 Win, 350 RM, 35 Whelen and 325 WSM.

Besides when it comes to the 33 bore there is but one and that was invented by Roy.
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rem338.. we lay no claim to wrong way :)

fbmi.. only reason i compared it to a wm was because i couldn't think of offhand what or 338 bullet was factory chambered even close to start a worth while arguement. 308 has it beat and 358 probaly does
 
The .338-08/Fed shouldn't be compared to a .338 WM any more than a .308 should be compared to a .300 magnum.

The 338 Fed should really compared to a 30-06,as it fills the same niche as"all around hunting cartridge" as a30-06 does.

The 338 Fed is a hunting cartridge. It's not a long range uber tactical sniper cartridge. It will excel where other "all around" hunting cartridges also excel, which is 0-350 yards. You know, the distance 90% of game is shot.

I doubt it will ever be really popular, which is a shame. It's probably one of the more practical hunting cartridges out there.
 
WhelanLad said:
This is the Truth. especially in Australia for Stalking Sambar deer.. the Fed has the slight edge over the Parent 308 in take down power an penetration.
definatley not to be compared to a WM



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Do you really think that the 210 Nos Partition 338 bullet penetrates better than a 200 gn 30 cal.

Let's take a look;

Nosler Manual;

338 Fed

210 Part max 2529 fps BC .400 SD .263

225 Part max 2428 fps BC .454 SD .281

358 Win

225 Part 2528 max fps BC .430 SD .251

No listing for 200 for 308 in current Nosler Manual so I went to my Speer #11

308 Win

200 gn max 2518 fps BC .481 (this IS for the Part) SD .301

I'm sorry WhelenLad, but I can see no edge the 338 Fed might have over the 308 and it is definately inferior to the 358 Win. From what I'm reading, according to the manuals both the 308 and 358 are superior. The 308 will out penetrate while imparting virtually the same energy on target and the 358 out energies it significantly while penetrating every bit as good with the extra 100 fps and a slightly lower SD while having greater diameter.

This was certainly not exhaustive research, just grabbed some numbers from the books but I think it gives a pretty representative picture of these 3 cartridges.
If it wasn't for Elmer's devout hatred of the 30 cal and the amount of influence he had with Winchester and Remington in the 50s, I doubt we would even have a 33 bore this side of the pond.
 
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c-fbmi said:
Do you really think that the 210 Nos Partition 338 bullet penetrates better than a 200 gn 30 cal.

Let's take a look;

Nosler Manual;

338 Fed

210 Part max 2529 fps BC .400 SD .263

225 Part max 2428 fps BC .454 SD .281

358 Win

225 Part 2528 max fps BC .430 SD .251

No listing for 200 for 308 in current Nosler Manual so I went to my Speer #11

308 Win

200 gn max 2518 fps BC .481 (this IS for the Part) SD .301

I'm sorry WhelenLad, but I can see no edge the 338 Fed might have over the 308 and it is definately inferior to the 358 Win. From what I'm reading, according to the manuals both the 308 and 358 are superior. The 308 will out penetrate while imparting virtually the same energy on target and the 358 out energies it significantly while penetrating every bit as good with the extra 100 fps and a slightly lower SD while having greater diameter.

This was certainly not exhaustive research, just grabbed some numbers from the books but I think it gives a pretty representative picture of these 3 cartridges.
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Comparing two different mannuals is comparing apples to oranges IMO. When I was considering the 338 Fed I looked at ballistics provided by Federal and the 338 far outpowered the 338 with a tiny bit of a sacrifice on bullet drop. The real truth can only be known through a Chrono and at the range(as well as in the field on game)

From the Fed site. Assuming we are going for hitting power on big game

308 with 180gr Partition at 200 yards 1957 ft lbs and -9.4" drop at 300 and -26.9" at 400 when sited in at 200

338 with 210gr Partition at 200 yards 2266 ft lbs and -9.4" drop at 300 and -27.3" at 400

Your info shows a muzzle vel 100 fps slower for the 210gr partition. Nosler seems to show lighter and slower loads for some reason. I would look for a different source of info.

Is this a fair comparison???
 
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g-manz35 said:
Comparing two different mannuals is comparing apples to oranges IMO. When I was considering the 338 Fed I looked at ballistics provided by Federal and the 338 far outpowered the 338 with a tiny bit of a sacrifice on bullet drop. The real truth can only be known through a Chrono and at the range(as well as in the field on game)

From the Fed site. Assuming we are going for hitting power on big game

308 with 180gr Partition at 200 yards 1957 ft lbs and -9.4" drop at 300 and -26.9"when sited in at 200

338 with 210gr Partition at 200 yards 2266 ft lbs and -9.4" drop at 300 and -27.3" ant 400

Is this a fair comparison???
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EDIT- misread post. Yes, what this basically proves is that the Federal provides little to no advantage over the 308
 
Too much tech #####ing and not enough hunting. the cartridge works. I have two full freezers to prove the point. Two years ago I took a nice bull moose at about 120 yards and it never took another step. put that in a formula and ##### about it.
 
g-manz35 said:
Comparing two different mannuals is comparing apples to oranges IMO. When I was considering the 338 Fed I looked at ballistics provided by Federal and the 338 far outpowered the 338 with a tiny bit of a sacrifice on bullet drop. The real truth can only be known through a Chrono and at the range(as well as in the field on game)

From the Fed site. Assuming we are going for hitting power on big game

308 with 180gr Partition at 200 yards 1957 ft lbs and -9.4" drop at 300 and -26.9"when sited in at 200

338 with 210gr Partition at 200 yards 2266 ft lbs and -9.4" drop at 300 and -27.3" ant 400

Is this a fair comparison???
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Like I said this was NOT exhaustive research, I have found however, over the years, that the Speer flat base spitzer bullet is totally interchangable with the Nosler Part and this is why I chose this manual for comparison.
Like I said I think this is a pretty good representation of the 3 cartridges. I also have it on good authority, from a couple of the long range 308 boys,that with the new wonder powders they are driving the 208 gn Amax at nearly 2700 fps, now that really changes the equation don't it.

In your comparison you assume that the Fed 308 load would be used for comparison, there are sooo many factory 308 loads that I'm sure I could find one to further my arguement. There are no such options for 338 Fed though are there? And yes there are so many variables from one rifle to another and one batch of powder to another and one chrono to another etc....etc......etc. I was speaking in general terms using published data to compare the 3. There will always be differences in manuals but there are certainly as many commonalities which show the geneal trends and velocity ranges for any given bullet weight in any given caliber.

My entire point was that the 338 Fed is not significantly better, if at all, than the 308 and nowhere near as good as the 358 Win or 350 RM to justify it's existance and I believe I made my point and so did you for me. "far out powered the 308", 300 ft/lbs of energy at 200 yds, with your selected comparison, is the only difference? I certainly don't see a gaping chasm that needs filling and I noticed you completely avoided the 358 Win.
 
paperslayer said:
Too much tech #####ing and not enough hunting. the cartridge works. I have two full freezers to prove the point. Two years ago I took a nice bull moose at about 120 yards and it never took another step. put that in a formula and ##### about it.
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You got that right. I'm not arguing for or adgainst it. I'm just saying I looked at it for a long time and thought it quite good. I went with a 338 Win mag and it fills my freezer as well. So would a 30-06, 308, 7mm Ren mag, 270 win, 300 win mag, 7mm-08, 338-06 etc etc etc. It seems evryone enjoys Sh1tting on something rather than accepting that there is some advantage in certain situations. Just joined the site and I'm already sick of it. Just read the 300 debate. Now there is a waste of key stokes.

The perfect caliber is the one that dude holding the gun wants to shoot!
 
paperslayer said:
Too much tech #####ing and not enough hunting. the cartridge works. I have two full freezers to prove the point. Two years ago I took a nice bull moose at about 120 yards and it never took another step. put that in a formula and ##### about it.
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I never said it wouldn't kill game, what I said was it doesn't kill game any BETTER on any level than the 308 or 358 Win. It holds no advantage on either one of these cartridges and therefore is redundant and fills no necessary niche.
Elmer would roll over in his grave if he saw what Federal did to "his" caliber!!
 
g-manz35 said:
You got that right. I'm not arguing for or adgainst it. I'm just saying I looked at it for a long time and thought it quite good. I went with a 338 Win mag and it fills my freezer as well. So would a 30-06, 308, 7mm Ren mag, 270 win, 300 win mag, 7mm-08, 338-06 etc etc etc. It seems evryone enjoys Sh1tting on something rather than accepting that there is some advantage in certain situations. Just joined the site and I'm already sick of it. Just read the 300 debate. Now there is a waste of key stokes.

The perfect caliber is the one that dude holding the gun wants to shoot!
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Then leave if you don't enjoy caliber debate.
 
It is what it is. 300yd hunting cartridge, throwing 160-225 gr bullets in a short action, without the recoil of a magnum. Basically the same as the .358win, except Nobody is chambering the latter in a bolt rifle...
 
c-fbmi said:
Then leave if you don't enjoy caliber debate.
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Quite a bit of thin skin around here.

If you have a pet cartridge that you so love and adore and expect the moon to explode if you point it at it, great. Someone in this primordial mass is likely to disagree with you. Deal with it, and have fun with the ensuing argument.

Or pick up a 30-06 and a box of 180gr Partitions and go kill everything out to 400yds with glee.
 
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