Mosin Original WW2 Dated Matching Sniper Rifles for SALE!

Nobody is claiming these are the same marks as the ATI rifles that Wolverine sold last week - also similar to the ones Rguns has had for many years. But they are marks that Tula, nor Izzy made... nor are they military unit specific. They are made by a corporation and are something nobody that collects would want to see. Talk about taking the "mil" out of milsurp.
The guys that did not buy the Wolverine ones were likely scared off by the ATI markings, and likely led to believe these were "clean" and we jumped on them. Rightly so. I think this mark is disappointing. If anyone knows a method of removing it - you will be a hero on this thread!
 
Do you guys think this may have something to do with Russia cleaning out all the obsolete guns? And or Molot was used as a expoter to sneek them out of Russia as "hunting rifles"?

Personally, I dont mind the marks. Its not like they are staring you in the face every time you shoot it. And it kinda tells me these came from Russia and not the Ukraine or God knows where.
 
Come on guys...the US guns have billboard import markings on the receiver, so obvious you'd need a white cane and a seeing eye dog to miss it.

These have a laser etched maker's mark or something hidden under a handguard...not quite the same thing is it?

ghostntheshell said:
Tradex specifies in bold that they have no import markings... I wasn't going to take my stock apart - but i am a little curious if mine has import markings....


New Arrival: WWII Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper rifles
WWII Mosin Nagant M91/30 Sniper Rifles in 7.62x54R. Comes with PU scope and mount. Every sample inspected have very good bores, #'s on original scopes match sniper markings on receiver. Overall very good condition, arsenal refinished, NO IMPORT MARKINGS.

$649.00 each

http://www.shop.tradeexcanada.com/co...rifles-762x54r
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This is from Shotgun News...last APRIL. Bold italics are mine.

Russia’s Ministry of Defense intends to destroy 4 million guns by the end of 2014

Marco Vorobiev was a member of the elite Soviet Spetsnaz in Afghanistan in the 1980s. He’s a U.S. citizen now and conducts training courses that draw on his special forces training. He’ll have a new installment every Wednesday.

The Russian Ministry of Defense intends to utilize (read destroy and melt down) 4 million older model guns by the year 2015. These will be pulled from the stockpiles of estimated 16 million guns that are no longer in service with Russian Armed Forces. Roughly 6.45 million of these guns are no longer serviceable.

Though the types were not officially announced, a little birdie whispered to me that most of the guns slotted for destruction are Mosin rifles and carbines, SKS carbines, Nagant revolvers, TT33 Tula Tokarev pistols, a huge number of AKM automatic rifles, RPK and RPK-74 light machine guns and a small number of older PK medium machine guns.

The Ministry of Industry and Trade is planning to send these guns to the factories where they were produced for disposal. Apparently this would keep in business plants like Molot and create 240 jobs. Meanwhile, Russia’s biggest arsenal Izhmash, had to suspend its destruction program after misplacing approximately 80 AKM rifles.

I don’t know about you, but I can come up with a much better idea for disposal of these guns: Send them over here! We would even pay for them. But unfortunately this will never happen. So, millions of guns, including some of the truly historic firearms, will be sent to the crusher instead.


Read more: http://www.shotgunnews.com/2012/04/26/russia-to-destroy-4-million-guns/#ixzz21qpI8u7u

Very interesting that this is from April (also the date on those manuals) and that Molot is mentioned (their stamp is on the barrels of these).
 
sledge said:
I think this mark is disappointing. If anyone knows a method of removing it - you will be a hero on this thread!
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Oh come on, that's too easy, just take a juicy cabbage roll or a cheese and sauerkraut perogy and put it on the barrel marking (Tattoo) and squish down the handguard to 600 psi. In 50 years, no one could tell the difference what is there. :eek:
 
Well, here they are!

The comrades have no further use for these rifles, might as well earn some $ for Russia rather than scrap them for nothing. It's a pretty good indication to me that they are real.



sledge said:
This is from Shotgun News...last APRIL. Bold italics are mine.

Russia’s Ministry of Defense intends to destroy 4 million guns by the end of 2014

Marco Vorobiev was a member of the elite Soviet Spetsnaz in Afghanistan in the 1980s. He’s a U.S. citizen now and conducts training courses that draw on his special forces training. He’ll have a new installment every Wednesday.

The Russian Ministry of Defense intends to utilize (read destroy and melt down) 4 million older model guns by the year 2015. These will be pulled from the stockpiles of estimated 16 million guns that are no longer in service with Russian Armed Forces. Roughly 6.45 million of these guns are no longer serviceable.

Though the types were not officially announced, a little birdie whispered to me that most of the guns slotted for destruction are Mosin rifles and carbines, SKS carbines, Nagant revolvers, TT33 Tula Tokarev pistols, a huge number of AKM automatic rifles, RPK and RPK-74 light machine guns and a small number of older PK medium machine guns.

The Ministry of Industry and Trade is planning to send these guns to the factories where they were produced for disposal. Apparently this would keep in business plants like Molot and create 240 jobs. Meanwhile, Russia’s biggest arsenal Izhmash, had to suspend its destruction program after misplacing approximately 80 AKM rifles.

I don’t know about you, but I can come up with a much better idea for disposal of these guns: Send them over here! We would even pay for them. But unfortunately this will never happen. So, millions of guns, including some of the truly historic firearms, will be sent to the crusher instead.



Very interesting that this is from April (also the date on those manuals) and that Molot is mentioned (their stamp is on the barrels of these).
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Any new gun for sale here in Canada has on the barrel... Caliber, manufacturer and country of production. So do these guns follow in suite so that they qualify as new sporting rifles, therefore evading UN destruction? Screw the scope back on, call a recently assembled (scope reinstalled) gun a recently built sporting gun and voilà, legal export?
 
I think you and others are on a good theory with that. Explains why these are from Russia, and how they got out when the Russians were not supposed to be selling off military weapons anymore.
Now we just need to know wether they are real matching snipers (rifle to scope), or did they put any rifle together with a scope and then stamp the receiver to match the scope.

Remembering said:
Any new gun for sale here in Canada has on the barrel... Caliber, manufacturer and country of production. So do these guns follow in suite so that they qualify as new sporting rifles, therefore evading UN destruction? Screw the scope back on, call a recently assembled (scope reinstalled) gun a recently built sporting gun and voilà, legal export?
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sledge said:
I think you and others are on a good theory with that. Explains why these are from Russia, and how they got out when the Russians were not supposed to be selling off military weapons anymore.
Now we just need to know wether they are real matching snipers (rifle to scope), or did they put any rifle together with a scope and then stamp the receiver to match the scope.
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They're refurbs...stamped to match. As far as anyone can tell, they are real sniper rifles though. For $6-700...a pretty good deal.
 
If they are stamping them to match they are not real snipers. That would be like putting a No.32 scope on any Enfield and calling it an Enfield T. There are two parts to a sniper rifle - scope and rifle. I think we have a "real" scope (ie: issued at one time to military) but not sure about the rifle.
The great thing about Enfield T's is that there are so many markings on the rifles. Mosins...not so much. There is the CH on Tula's and sometimes a scope serial number on Izzy's.
The good thing about mosin ex-sniper rifles, the ones that sell for $225 - is they have those marks and they have the plug holes from the scope mounts. Nobody would do all that for another $75 retail.
Last year I thought about finding an original scope and pairing it with an "ex-sniper". If both rifle and scope are legit snipers then I would have a real "original" but just not matching (9/10). The cost did not make it feasible though.
 
I've seen two of these so far, one being mine (don't have a camera, so no pics I'm afraid until I can borrow one).

The one, not mine, was a 1943 dated Izhevsk with a 1940 dated SVT scope. The scope serial number was electro-pencilled onto the scope mount. On the barrel there was a scope serial number crossed out, with the 1940 dated scopes serial number stamped above it. The scope turret ring DID have the 'CB' mark on it.

Mine is a 1943 dated Tula, with the 'C H' stamp on the receiver. It has a 1941 dated SVT scope, with the scopes serial number electro-pencilled onto the scope mount, with the scope serial number stamped onto the barrel in the same place as the Izzy's. The scope turret ring also has the 'CB' stamp on it.

Haven't had a chance to disassemble, clean or shoot mine, but for the short period I was able to play with it before heading to work I noticed that both scope mounts that I saw had very obvious filing marks on the toe, to adjust and correct for windage issues. I'll be most interested to see if, once scope is attached and tightened, it will shoot fairly point of aim, windage wise.




Oh, and I'm still waiting for Westrifle to come on, despite all the new info presented, and continue to tell us that he was in the factory in the Ukraine and saw these scopes and rifles being newly made to be sold to us suckers who stupidly and blindly believe them to be original parts. :rolleyes:
 
You were waiting for westrifle here I come. For you to understand the way business is done there you would have to live there.
Mosins are bought in Russia and then re-exported to Ukraine. I am not here to prove to all of the buyers and explain how this rifles made to Canada. It is a long process and my English is not that good to explain it. Why don't you ask North Sylva how those made to Canada.

Cheers


Tanis said:
I've seen two of these so far, one being mine (don't have a camera, so no pics I'm afraid until I can borrow one).

The one, not mine, was a 1943 dated Izhevsk with a 1940 dated SVT scope. The scope serial number was electro-pencilled onto the scope mount. On the barrel there was a scope serial number crossed out, with the 1940 dated scopes serial number stamped above it. The scope turret ring DID have the 'CB' mark on it.

Mine is a 1943 dated Tula, with the 'C H' stamp on the receiver. It has a 1941 dated SVT scope, with the scopes serial number electro-pencilled onto the scope mount, with the scope serial number stamped onto the barrel in the same place as the Izzy's. The scope turret ring also has the 'CB' stamp on it.

Haven't had a chance to disassemble, clean or shoot mine, but for the short period I was able to play with it before heading to work I noticed that both scope mounts that I saw had very obvious filing marks on the toe, to adjust and correct for windage issues. I'll be most interested to see if, once scope is attached and tightened, it will shoot fairly point of aim, windage wise.




Oh, and I'm still waiting for Westrifle to come on, despite all the new info presented, and continue to tell us that he was in the factory in the Ukraine and saw these scopes and rifles being newly made to be sold to us suckers who stupidly and blindly believe them to be original parts. :rolleyes:
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sledge said:
If they are stamping them to match they are not real snipers. That would be like putting a No.32 scope on any Enfield and calling it an Enfield T.
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Not exactly. If they are using mismatched parts from sniper rifles, they are still sniper rifles. Which is a lot different that taking an infantry rifle with a regular infantry barrel and sticking a PU scope on it.
 
Why don't you ask them both. Why is everyone asking us about those rifles we only sell replicas and original Mosin 91/30.
Enough I will not say anything else or I will be blamed for something else here. Sergey please stop saying anything. Please ask Tradex and North Sylva they are both sponsors here to what and who brought those.
Tradex dealer
North Sylva wholesaler
 
Ok this thread is confusing me. Are these sniper rifles with sniper barrels refurbed with non matching or forced matched parts or are they regular infantry rifles with original scopes?
 
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