That is exactly what i do. Ise a funnel and pour boiling water down the bore and all over the gas block, take off muzzle protector, gas piston and spring and let them sit in the sink of boiled water. No problem here from doing that. Take bottom H/G off wvery now and then. I have some many hand made AK wood sets that thwy come off all the time fpr dress up.
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Actually this method comes from British forces. Old Enfield kit used to include a little funnel so Brits could pour boiling water down the bore of their rifles before cleaning with their pull through kit. Not slop it all over the rifle like a fool. Heres a little lesson: the corrosive substance in the primers is potassium chlorate. It is a water soluble compound that is easily broken down and washed away with water. Temperature is another factor as the cooler it gets the less water soluble it becomes. Boiling water, especially in a hot bore, removes it quickly and easily. The water heats the steel hot enough to evaporate the water. Oiling afterwards ensures rust protection as oils displace moisture. You can sit here and argue all kinds of speculative points but the rest of us have factual proof to back it up. Bfiles: I call troll on this guy
This is exactly it. Only water displaces salts, solvents and oil wont do sh1t if your environment is humid. OP: Try shooting it, and cleaning well. If nothing works, don't loose sleep over it, if it shoots well, it's fine. Swap barrels only if they loose accuracy over condition, don't panic over cosmetic issues, just shoot and clean. Everyone else: if you are in a moist environment, use water, nothing else will work. In a less humid environment, do what you want, no-one seems to have issues in dry places, even if they are cleaning wrong or rarely.
Travis Bickle
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Actually this method comes from British forces. Old Enfield kit used to include a little funnel so Brits could pour boiling water down the bore of their rifles before cleaning with their pull through kit. Not slop it all over the rifle like a fool. Heres a little lesson: the corrosive substance in the primers is potassium chlorate. It is a water soluble compound that is easily broken down and washed away with water. Temperature is another factor as the cooler it gets the less water soluble it becomes. Boiling water, especially in a hot bore, removes it quickly and easily. The water heats the steel hot enough to evaporate the water. Oiling afterwards ensures rust protection as oils displace moisture. You can sit here and argue all kinds of speculative points but the rest of us have factual proof to back it up. Bfiles: I call troll on this guy
Who would have thought!
Hot water dissolves salts!?
Oil displaces water!?
He's a Witch! Burn Him!!
Who would have thought!
Hot water dissolves salts!?
Oil displaces water!?
He's a Witch! Burn Him!!
i use some compressed air to blow out every thing while the gun is still hot from the boiling water, just for good measure. then i clean as per usual.
Hey guys thanks for all the input. I didn't really intend to make another forum on cleaning techniques, and while I understand the relevance suffice it to say that there's no water left by the time I'm done my cleaning. My real problem is how to make existing rust not exist anymore to the point where it won't come back. I need some suggestions that go beyond regular cleaning techniques, some sort of rust- specific solvent or something. Thanks again!
Travis Bickle
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- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Again, I would say shoot it. A lot lol. Try and get all the rust off the bore surface using the heat and firing of the copper jackets of the projectiles.
Then I would pour gun oil down there. Run some patches just dripping with CLP. Soak the f**ker.
Leave it sit and soften up the rust for a while then get a good brand new stiff brass bore brush and give a good hard cleaning with the brush and patches to push out the crud that comes loose.
I think this would be a good easy first attempt to try and remove it Sir.
You could also try a commercial rust remover in the bore if the oil does not work. There are some heavy duty borax and lime based materials available for this purpose at any hardware store if you have the balls to pour it down the barrel and give it a try
If this does not work it may require drastic measures that I am not aware of.
How is dropping it in a puddle even remotley close to cleaning it??
thank you all. I concur with the shoot the piss out of it method. I will investigate mr bickle and supernova's insights further and try them out. traditional cleaning techniques are simply ineffective but i think these guys have something going here. I'm gonna formulate a plan and then shoot the hell out of it on Wednesday. I will update with results
hopefully we can glean some collective knowledge out of this experience should anyone encounter this bizarre problem in the future.
ps plz no more discussion on the boiling water here, there are a hundred threads about it already!
hopefully we can glean some collective knowledge out of this experience should anyone encounter this bizarre problem in the future.
ps plz no more discussion on the boiling water here, there are a hundred threads about it already!
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Please do Sir.
I am curious myself as to how this will turn out. Try the oil before the rust remover and get back to us please!
I use RemClean to remove solid gunk from dirty barrels. It is a mild abrasive. It scrubs off light rust. I have used it it to rub off rust on bolts.
JB paste is similar, but probably more aggressive. Both products will clean your barrel.
If you can't find these products, buy some car finish rubbing compound at CT. Similar stuff.
JB paste is similar, but probably more aggressive. Both products will clean your barrel.
If you can't find these products, buy some car finish rubbing compound at CT. Similar stuff.
My recommendation for the rust is to remove all the oil from the bore with an alcahol based cleaner like Birchwood Casey Gun Scrubber or G96 Crud Buster then shoot. Oils left in the bore will collect carbon then burn in place covering the rust. A clean bore is best to let the heat and pressure of the ammunition remove the rust. Cleaning from now on is going to be more of a chore. The pits in your bore will hold large amounts of powder fouling that comes out like ketchup in the old glass bottles. Foaming bore cleaners are your friend here, traditional methods will be very time consuming. Hope its not as bad as it sounds and good luck.
