New ruger scout rifle

captonion said:
Never fired more than 5 rnd,
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Sorry that was a lie. I once emptied a 32 special on 6-7 deer that came out all at once, and didn't cut a single hair..Thats when I realized I couldn't hit chit with open sights...Switched to a scope, and never looked back...

Rocket Surgery said:
The reason you go through so many rounds here on Vancouver Island is because you're typically shooting at deer in dense brush while they're moving, not sitting in a blind with a scoped rifle. .
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We hunt in thick bush(as thick as yours in many places)..Oh ya we also chase the deer with hounds, and believe me they are on the move...

Rocket Surgery said:
Scopes are practically useless considering how they'd be out of alignment within the first hour and they would be too slow to acquire your target unless set from 1-3x, you might as well use irons.
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I find a scope to be far quicker to aquire than open sights..Less to line up. Just the X-hairs, and target...Open sights are rear sight/front sight, and target..

aikidoforever said:
What!? And you say a 10 round mag looks bad on the scout!?? Yikes. That looks like cowboys vs aliens part deux!
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Joke!
 
captonion said:
LMAO....I can do it with less than 5..I never carry more than 9 rnds(2 mags and 1 for the pipe) when hunting...Mostly only carry 5 rounds..Less weight is what its all about...
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Ah, I see, we differ in intended purpose. Yours is hunting meat, mine is hunting steel. The AR-500 Plate is hard to knock down you see. ;)
 
Excuse me for asking, but what is the intended purpose of this rifle?
I have read Mr. Coopers specs for the "Scout" rifle and many columns of his over the years and none of his designs were aimed at the hunting community. His entire training course, his recommended handgun training and his rifle training recommendations are aimed exclusively at man to man combat firearms and techniques.
His defined purpose for the "Scout" rifle was aimed at the point man in a platoon where Mr. Cooper felt he would be better armed with a short, light, rapid acquisition, bolt action rifle, with a large capacity magazine and a better aiming device than irons on a fully or semi automatic rifle. The aiming device to have a single plane or focal point of 0 or low magnification mounted far enough forward so as to be able to shoot the rifle shotgun style in extreme close quarters without completely obliterating your vision and still be possible to acquire the aiming point. This single aiming device is also to greatly enhance the low light and long range possibilities of the rifle to approx double that of iron sights. It also allows a much greater probability of first shot hits at extended ranges and faster sight acquision for accurate follow up shots.
He also notes this would be his choice of rifle in the case of anarchy and governmental collapse, leaving every man for himself. Again denoting a man to man combat situation.
None of the firearms available to their military at the time fit the needs of the point man, (read "scout") in his opinion. Please note I'm paraprasing Mr. Cooper, not quoting.

I'm not critisizing those who choose to own such a firearm or any firearm for that matter, but can not think of a single hunting situation where this would be MY ideal choice of rifles. I can see some possible advantages in the real thick stuff where things may be up close and fast paced, but then you're only likely to get one maybe 2 shots off, so why a 10 round mag?
I can't think of any hunting scenario where this arrangement would be superior to my Rem Mod 7 KS in 350 Rem holding 4 rounds with the 1.5-5 scope mounted conventionally.
So again I ask, what is the intended use of such a rifle?
 
c-fbmi said:
Excuse me for asking, but what is the intended purpose of this rifle?
I have read Mr. Coopers specs for the "Scout" rifle and many columns of his over the years and none of his designs were aimed at the hunting community. His entire training course, his recommended handgun training and his rifle training recommendations are aimed exclusively at man to man combat firearms and techniques.
His defined purpose for the "Scout" rifle was aimed at the point man in a platoon where Mr. Cooper felt he would be better armed with a short, light, rapid acquisition, bolt action rifle, with a large capacity magazine and a better aiming device than irons on a fully or semi automatic rifle. The aiming device to have a single plane or focal point of 0 or low magnification mounted far enough forward so as to be able to shoot the rifle shotgun style in extreme close quarters without completely obliterating your vision and still be possible to acquire the aiming point. This single aiming device is also to greatly enhance the low light and long range possibilities of the rifle to approx double that of iron sights. It also allows a much greater probability of first shot hits at extended ranges and faster sight acquision for accurate follow up shots.
He also notes this would be his choice of rifle in the case of anarchy and governmental collapse, leaving every man for himself. Again denoting a man to man combat situation.
None of the firearms available to their military at the time fit the needs of the point man, (read "scout") in his opinion. Please note I'm paraprasing Mr. Cooper, not quoting.

I'm not critisizing those who choose to own such a firearm or any firearm for that matter, but can not think of a single hunting situation where this would be MY ideal choice of rifles. I can see some possible advantages in the real thick stuff where things may be up close and fast paced, but then you're only likely to get one maybe 2 shots off, so why a 10 round mag?
I can't think of any hunting scenario where this arrangement would be superior to my Rem Mod 7 KS in 350 Rem holding 4 rounds with the 1.5-5 scope mounted conventionally.
So again I ask, what is the intended use of such a rifle?
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From what I heard too, it was meant for combat or quick light rifle for protection in the bush.
 
c-fbmi said:
Excuse me for asking, but what is the intended purpose of this rifle?
I have read Mr. Coopers specs for the "Scout" rifle and many columns of his over the years and none of his designs were aimed at the hunting community. His entire training course, his recommended handgun training and his rifle training recommendations are aimed exclusively at man to man combat firearms and techniques.
His defined purpose for the "Scout" rifle was aimed at the point man in a platoon where Mr. Cooper felt he would be better armed with a short, light, rapid acquisition, bolt action rifle, with a large capacity magazine and a better aiming device than irons on a fully or semi automatic rifle. The aiming device to have a single plane or focal point of 0 or low magnification mounted far enough forward so as to be able to shoot the rifle shotgun style in extreme close quarters without completely obliterating your vision and still be possible to acquire the aiming point. This single aiming device is also to greatly enhance the low light and long range possibilities of the rifle to approx double that of iron sights. It also allows a much greater probability of first shot hits at extended ranges and faster sight acquision for accurate follow up shots.
He also notes this would be his choice of rifle in the case of anarchy and governmental collapse, leaving every man for himself. Again denoting a man to man combat situation.
None of the firearms available to their military at the time fit the needs of the point man, (read "scout") in his opinion. Please note I'm paraprasing Mr. Cooper, not quoting.

I'm not critisizing those who choose to own such a firearm or any firearm for that matter, but can not think of a single hunting situation where this would be MY ideal choice of rifles. I can see some possible advantages in the real thick stuff where things may be up close and fast paced, but then you're only likely to get one maybe 2 shots off, so why a 10 round mag?
I can't think of any hunting scenario where this arrangement would be superior to my Rem Mod 7 KS in 350 Rem holding 4 rounds with the 1.5-5 scope mounted conventionally.
So again I ask, what is the intended use of such a rifle?
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For fun?
 
c-fbmi said:
Excuse me for asking, but what is the intended purpose of this rifle?
I have read Mr. Coopers specs for the "Scout" rifle and many columns of his over the years and none of his designs were aimed at the hunting community. His entire training course, his recommended handgun training and his rifle training recommendations are aimed exclusively at man to man combat firearms and techniques.
His defined purpose for the "Scout" rifle was aimed at the point man in a platoon where Mr. Cooper felt he would be better armed with a short, light, rapid acquisition, bolt action rifle, with a large capacity magazine and a better aiming device than irons on a fully or semi automatic rifle. The aiming device to have a single plane or focal point of 0 or low magnification mounted far enough forward so as to be able to shoot the rifle shotgun style in extreme close quarters without completely obliterating your vision and still be possible to acquire the aiming point. This single aiming device is also to greatly enhance the low light and long range possibilities of the rifle to approx double that of iron sights. It also allows a much greater probability of first shot hits at extended ranges and faster sight acquision for accurate follow up shots.
He also notes this would be his choice of rifle in the case of anarchy and governmental collapse, leaving every man for himself. Again denoting a man to man combat situation.
None of the firearms available to their military at the time fit the needs of the point man, (read "scout") in his opinion. Please note I'm paraprasing Mr. Cooper, not quoting.

I'm not critisizing those who choose to own such a firearm or any firearm for that matter, but can not think of a single hunting situation where this would be MY ideal choice of rifles. I can see some possible advantages in the real thick stuff where things may be up close and fast paced, but then you're only likely to get one maybe 2 shots off, so why a 10 round mag?
I can't think of any hunting scenario where this arrangement would be superior to my Rem Mod 7 KS in 350 Rem holding 4 rounds with the 1.5-5 scope mounted conventionally.
So again I ask, what is the intended use of such a rifle?
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I have owned plenty of typical hunting rifles, long barrels, big scopes, big calibre. They get boring. I wanted something small and lightest and I had never used a firearm with a forward mounted scope.

So far I love it and enjoy the change of pace from traditional rifles
 
Also you guys are reading into this jeff cooper #### way too much. At no point did I even mention him. The only reason is called the gunsite scout rifle is to sell more rifles.
 
c-fbmi said:
Excuse me for asking, but what is the intended purpose of this rifle?
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Its a good question. I am interested in one mainly becasue I would like a .308 hunting carbine that is short and handy but the main reason is that I like the idea of having a QD scope and irons on the rilfe at the same time. Not for 'choosing' while hunting but because I want a rifle I can train with the peep, even compete casually at my local Swiss matches and then attached the scope without having to remove the irons, and hunt.

I like the Ruger Scout but really dont like the factory mags. If/when I decide to buy one I will keep it with 5 and 3 rnd polymer mags. The factory 10 round are way to long and looks a bit mall-ninja IMO (but I dont discourage those that like them).

I am hoping to check out the Savage Scout if I can find one in Edmonton...
 
Shep546 said:
Also you guys are reading into this jeff cooper s**t way too much. At no point did I even mention him. The only reason is called the gunsite scout rifle is to sell more rifles.
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Although YOU did not "even mention him", the very name alludes to his training site "Gunsite" and his coined phrase for this type of rifle, "scout rifle".
You cannot use these terms and display this form of rifle without invoking the Jeff Cooper name. It is his brainchild, his design for close quarter man to man long arm combat and thick cover defence. However it is not true to his design in weight, caliber or your choice of optics and mounts.
 
Shep546 said:
I have owned plenty of typical hunting rifles, long barrels, big scopes, big calibre. They get boring. I wanted something small and lightest and I had never used a firearm with a forward mounted scope.

So far I love it and enjoy the change of pace from traditional rifles
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GSR- small ish, I guess.

Light? Not even close. My Weatherby MKV with a scope and 26'' bbl is lighter than a stock GSR.
 
longknife said:
I have had one for about a year...........have the 10 rd.mag. and now a metal 5 rd. mag....would like one of the 3 rd. polymer mags but cannot find one in Canada. And, if I had my druthers, I would replace the heavy laminated stock with a much lighter synthetic one.......but again, I am not aware anyone makes one....
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contact carole pitre at location snap shots 450-427-0052 she hade some before she might still have some stock
 
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