Not as far as I know but stranger things have happened.
SVT40's with FAKE Nazi Markings
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Not as far as I know but stranger things have happened.
It's that special time to rate the fake milsurp using the following scale:
Much talk of fecal matter but no pics of non refurbed soviet arms. I know you have a least half of a m52, there must be more than that.
I want to know, referring to the "Bristol Stool Chart", which type is spread on to a Hudson's Bay blanket?? I'm thinking type 3 and or 4 would make the list, but it's the inherent "woolly" properties of the blanket that has me thrown off a bit, Ugly can you elaborate?
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Yes, that is a very good question plinker, when related to turd alerts for milsurps. Any combination of 1 to 7 will stick to the Hudson Bay Blanket given the right conditions. And yes, you can and will see multiples, depending on the situation involved! 
Hinky, it's Mr. Hinky!!. Ugly; thank you for clearing this up for me. Your clarity I find refreshing. The chart does not however discern between say a type 7 incident after one has digested borscht vs. wiener schnitzel. I have been accused in the past of thinking far too deeply on this and similar subjects and further to this point, it has also been pointed out to me that perhaps such trains of thought are a wasteful use of my time and may not be a mentally healthy pursuit, yet the question remains!? Or is a 7 just a 7 regardless?
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Keep it together here or we have a Type 1 and Type 5 Emergency like marbles rolling out of a bag all over the floor.
Ok, here it stays.
You can toss opinions about whether something is authentic or not 'round the internet all you want but nothing beats firsthand examination.
First a reference bird
The stamp on the svt is the exactly the same size and design as the one on my k98. Saying that this is not the right stamp for any particular purpose assumes a certainty about events on the eastern front that just doesn't exist regardless of how much people want it to. That being said, have a look at this
Lightly struck stamp with a disturbing inconsistent surface finish
When you put oil on the surface the buzzard looks completely different from the rest of the stamps
Finally the left wing of the eagle overstamps the refurb mark
In addition the eagle is the sharpest of the bunch with no wear. It has been blued & I don't think its cold blue. The gun has been in storage long enough to rust through black paint applied under the action so it may have been done quite some time ago. There may also be a cold blue that goes completely black with no smell. My investigation as to how the hump happened & when will continue.
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Once again, why is the mn.net one considered real beyond all doubt? I read somewhere that that proof meant it was safe for use with issue ammo. If that is true, where did the germans get ammo to issue in 1944? Would it not be more likely that that example was captured by the Germans first then given to the finns? Isn't it a bit dangerous to say if it doesn't look like that particular one it must be fake? God bless the boys at gunboards & their absolute certainty of every marking used by the german army. Reminds me of archeologists clinging to their certainties as new evidence springs up to prove their view as somewhat limited if not wrong altogether.
When were the refurb marks done? During WWII while in Russian hands? After WWII? Or later as in recently?
Whoever blued these bolt carriers to this colour- are they the ones that stamped the refurb markings?
If the Soviets captured one of their rifles back and the Germans had stamped proofs on to it...are we to assume that they'd just leave them there and put the rifles back in stock? They peened Wafenampts on RC Mausers right?
The bisected box in generally thought of as a post war Ukranian refurb mark but I have never seen any proof of that. If there was documentation that detailed such marks we could trace both the location & timeframe of various refurbs. Too bad there is always such a shroud of mystery surrounding any import of milsurps. Is there a bisected box on the new import of snipers?
As for thr peening of German marks, it was hit or miss. There are fair amount of rc mausers with all the original marks intact.
The square is the refurb marking? Note that it appears to be stamped on over the eagle?
I wish we knew when the refurb mark was stamped on and by whom?
I wish we knew when the refurb mark was stamped on and by whom?
Coyote Ugly
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The Eagle's on the SVT 40 and 41 are not the same as WaA 655 reference eagle. Even without the WaA number that the 40 and 41 do not have, there are big differences between the two if you look at the head and the lines in the wings for the feathers. WaffenFabrik Numrich?
The SVT 40 and 41 Eagles looks to be very carefully and strategically placed to the upper right as not to destroy the Tula and Izzy marking as well as the date, which seems rather odd.
The known is stamped right dead center on the Izzy stamp. No sympathy for the Russian markings.
The fact that 4 of them showed up in one guys collection raises red flags right there.
We've seen rifles one and two, let's see rifles three and four now...
Gunboards and K98k are collectors from all over the world, not only the US. Not one person agreed it was an original, just agreed it was a poorly done fake.
The SVT 40 and 41 Eagles looks to be very carefully and strategically placed to the upper right as not to destroy the Tula and Izzy marking as well as the date, which seems rather odd.
The known is stamped right dead center on the Izzy stamp. No sympathy for the Russian markings.
The fact that 4 of them showed up in one guys collection raises red flags right there.
We've seen rifles one and two, let's see rifles three and four now...
Gunboards and K98k are collectors from all over the world, not only the US. Not one person agreed it was an original, just agreed it was a poorly done fake.
Coyote Ugly
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Are you saying the Nazi Bird stamp was very recently done, because if it was stamped pre 1945, the pitting would be in the depression lines left in the metal by the nazi stamp.
In the 1941, in the last 1 to the right, you can see pitting in the 1 when you Zoom.
