most of the problems are form the first gen XCR and have been fixed, every now and then something will make it past the QC at robarms, but for the most part if you get a newer gen your going to be good to go and what may fail will be easily fixed
XCR-L OWNERS - How reliable is your rifle?
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most of the problems are form the first gen XCR and have been fixed, every now and then something will make it past the QC at robarms, but for the most part if you get a newer gen your going to be good to go and what may fail will be easily fixed
I've had about 400 rounds through mine so far, and only one FTE. I'm not sure what happened. When I was loading the rounds into my LAR-15 mag, I thought that one of them was a bit deformed, so it might have been that one. But otherwise, so far on gas setting 4, it works like a charm. Ashamedly, I admit that I haven't cleaned it yet.
I've seen one "hater" comment already. Just to clarify there aren't any haters. Everyone who jokes about or doesn't recommend the firearm does so because they wanted one. Unfortunately there are and were compromises that should be known. The reality is if the XCR was perfect and accurate than all of us would have one. Or if it was a lot cheaper. Don't be labeling people as haters because they joke about the flaws or don't recommend the rifle. Make the rifle perfect and you'll find more people on side. Or bring down the cost so the flaws are tolerable. It's hard to accept too many flaws on a rifle that costs what the XCR does. Especially when a decent AR is half the price. I expect a damn good product or something very unique. A bit more than just it's non restricted status. Because let's face it if the AR were non restricted at it's current price point or even the same as an XCR then no one would buy the XCR.
I'm glad to see the XCR improving. It's good to see many have had good results with their XCR. Personally I'm waiting for a 20" match SS 1:11.25 twist barrel on a XCR-M along with good range reports. Then I may very well buy one.
I'm glad to see the XCR improving. It's good to see many have had good results with their XCR. Personally I'm waiting for a 20" match SS 1:11.25 twist barrel on a XCR-M along with good range reports. Then I may very well buy one.
Danimal247
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- Toronto, ON
I've seen one "hater" comment already. Just to clarify there aren't any haters. Everyone who jokes about or doesn't recommend the firearm does so because they wanted one. Unfortunately there are and were compromises that should be known. The reality is if the XCR was perfect and accurate than all of us would have one. Or if it was a lot cheaper. Don't be labeling people as haters because they joke about the flaws or don't recommend the rifle. Make the rifle perfect and you'll find more people on side. Or bring down the cost so the flaws are tolerable. It's hard to accept too many flaws on a rifle that costs what the XCR does. Especially when a decent AR is half the price. I expect a damn good product or something very unique. A bit more than just it's non restricted status. Because let's face it if the AR were non restricted at it's current price point or even the same as an XCR then no one would buy the XCR.
I'm glad to see the XCR improving. It's good to see many have had good results with their XCR. Personally I'm waiting for a 20" match SS 1:11.25 twist barrel on a XCR-M along with good range reports. Then I may very well buy one.
Definitely not true..I don't like ARs anywhere near as much as I like my XCRs
I call bullpoo on this one.
I've heard this line from a few people before.
These posts always sound like XCR-envy to me.
A DD M4 is $1670. An XCR-L is $2350. That's less than $700 difference. Unless I failed math that's not half.
Now replace all of the equiv plastic parts on the DD with metal and the cost gets closer.
And $800 Norinco's aren't a "decent AR" and are not in the same category.
Take into consideration the additional cost of a range membership to go along with your restricted firearm, and that you can't do anything shooting-wise with the AR/M4 outside of the range. You can't even legally load/cycle live rounds outside of a range.
Mine: XCR-L serial 8000+, zero problems, I use XCR 10rd pistol mags (not LARS), zero FTFs FTFs or FTEs so far.
The XCR is my favorite rifle to shoot by far, awesome fun. Always goes with me when I go shooting, regardless of what other firearms I take. Equipped with a MagPul AFG2 and Leupold Prismatic 1x.
Purchased my XCR-L (in 5.56) from Reliable Gun in Vancouver. Serial number was above 8000.
First evening at the range I had the following issues:
- Gas setting 4 for break-in, as recommended, first 15 or so rounds were fired and brass ejected as expected (American Eagle 62gr .223).
- First round of new magazine racked into chamber and fired, rifle cycled and casing ejected, but on next trigger pull I got a click instead of a bang. Thinking I had a dud I racked the round out and found it had a very slightly dimpled primer.
- Next round (that was racked into the chamber) fired and ejected properly, one after that same FTF as above - primer slightly dimpled only.
- After repeating this a dozen times I partially disassembled the rifle and did a light cleaning. On reassembly I got 10 rounds of proper firing before the problem above reappeared. After one shot, next FTF for another ten racks I gave up.
I tried forward assist to see if bold was not fully forward, but this made no difference. In all cases the primer was lightly dented. A round chambered from the bold held open position or racked fired reliably. A round chambered from the rifle cycling did not. Ejection at all times was 10+ feet and I had zero FTE.
I tried different ammunition and several different magazines, with the same issues.
Second issue: with bolt held open, slapping the stock would drop the bolt. A couple of times just putting in a mag would drop the bolt.
Reliable received parts from Wolverine but in their hands the issue persisted. Rifle was returned to Wolverine and I received a credit which I put towards a Swiss Arms PE90, which has performed flawlessly.
Robinson Arms never responded to my email requests for assistance, by the way.
Hope you have better luck that I did if you choose to take a chance on the XCR.
First evening at the range I had the following issues:
- Gas setting 4 for break-in, as recommended, first 15 or so rounds were fired and brass ejected as expected (American Eagle 62gr .223).
- First round of new magazine racked into chamber and fired, rifle cycled and casing ejected, but on next trigger pull I got a click instead of a bang. Thinking I had a dud I racked the round out and found it had a very slightly dimpled primer.
- Next round (that was racked into the chamber) fired and ejected properly, one after that same FTF as above - primer slightly dimpled only.
- After repeating this a dozen times I partially disassembled the rifle and did a light cleaning. On reassembly I got 10 rounds of proper firing before the problem above reappeared. After one shot, next FTF for another ten racks I gave up.
I tried forward assist to see if bold was not fully forward, but this made no difference. In all cases the primer was lightly dented. A round chambered from the bold held open position or racked fired reliably. A round chambered from the rifle cycling did not. Ejection at all times was 10+ feet and I had zero FTE.
I tried different ammunition and several different magazines, with the same issues.
Second issue: with bolt held open, slapping the stock would drop the bolt. A couple of times just putting in a mag would drop the bolt.
Reliable received parts from Wolverine but in their hands the issue persisted. Rifle was returned to Wolverine and I received a credit which I put towards a Swiss Arms PE90, which has performed flawlessly.
Robinson Arms never responded to my email requests for assistance, by the way.
Hope you have better luck that I did if you choose to take a chance on the XCR.
Danimal247
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Toronto, ON
Ergos, charging handle, one piece flat top upper, 10rd 7.62x39 pistol mags, bolt catch/release, FAST stock, no "spring" sound like ARs, quick removal barrel assy, and it flat out looks better
Other than loctite on some bolts that were loose, but never lost. All I have had for issues of concern were a broken firing pin tip. Robinson Arms was fantastic at keeping in good comms, as was wolverine. Robarms fully warrantied the FP and I received it free of charge
My xcr is a 2007 model with almost 5000rounds through it.
I use it profusely as a coyote rifle and shoot SR leisurely. I bought it used and I'm happy with my purchase.
My xcr is a 2007 model with almost 5000rounds through it.
I use it profusely as a coyote rifle and shoot SR leisurely. I bought it used and I'm happy with my purchase.
Ergos, charging handle, one piece flat top upper, 10rd 7.62x39 pistol mags, bolt catch/release, FAST stock, no "spring" sound like ARs, quick removal barrel assy, and it flat out looks better
You're aware that you can get all those features with an AR these days too right? As for looks, that's subjective. They both look good. Internally a decent brand AR has better finish. I'm not all that fond of the piston setup. It looked fairly rough and welded from the XCR-L ones I saw. The M version looks improved.
Now add in that the AR is handier due to better balance and there are many fantastic stock, trigger, grip options etc. Modularity wise the AR has no equal. Plus unlike the XCR an AR can shoot sub .5 moa if setup properly.
I have to admit I saw the AR on it's last legs. But... Check out the ADCOR elite upper. The AR just got a revival. Simple sollutions. A good gas piston system, looks well built, attached to the rail not the barrel so same accuracy potential as DI AR. Rail works like a monolithic but still had the advantage of two pieces in case of damage you can still replace just the rail. An automatic dirt/dust guard that helps keep crud out of the received and ambi non reciprocating charging handle. This stuff is a game changer. All the advantages with none of the disadvantages. I'm hoping they win the M4 replacement contract. If so the AR will be top dog for a lot lot longer.
I'm not hating or anti XCR. I just believe it's a decent consumer grade product with a number of flaws and trade offs. The fact it's non restricted is the only reason the XCR can command the price it does.
Did you read his whole post? He mentioned this…
I am rather surprised with the results here so far… for a rifle that costs $2350 only 3 out of 5 claim to have gotten flawless ones, 2 out of 5 have had a problem, and 1 out of 10 have had a major problem… I honestly thought this poll would have showed the rifles to be better than this… Lowered expectations…
FYI... decent AR15 for half the price... sure it still has plastic on it, but it is supposed to, and I am pretty sure it would be reliable with the plastic… (Not to mention NEA)
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/6052/Armalite-M15A4-223-Wylde-Carbine-16-Black.aspx
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I am rather surprised with the results here so far… for a rifle that costs $2350 only 3 out of 5 claim to have gotten flawless ones, 2 out of 5 have had a problem, and 1 out of 10 have had a major problem… I honestly thought this poll would have showed the rifles to be better then this… Lowered expectations…
I an XCR owner just don't really care for the drama anymore. I long decided there will always be someone tell you that you are wrong, There is no sense trying to justify your choice, because it will never end.
My rifle serial number is 23XX, worked exactly as advertised since day one, you will not find one drop of Loctite on it, more than 2000 rounds of the nastiest surplus ammo down the barrel with nothing but Ed's Red as cleaner and lube. When Mr. Hipwell announced the XCR pistol was approved I was one of the first to order one without hesitation, so far the biggest stoppage was a stuck case with new batch of surplus from the 80's, and that was remedied with simply dialing up the gas setting up another notch.
Between my Tavor, Stag and the XCR's, the XCR's seems to get most of the attention.
I was commenting because I thought all the drama was just that, drama and BS... Honestly, I am not sure what to think after seeing the results thus far and reading this thread… Maybe a few more owners need to make their way out of the woodwork…
Danimal247
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Toronto, ON
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No failures to feed or fire so far
Mind you, I also have a non-res version as well that I love
No failures to feed or fire so far
Mind you, I also have a non-res version as well that I love
I have had one problem with my XCR and that was the Recoil buffer pad disintegrated during the break-in. I Posted on the XCR Forums and Robarms sent me 2 new ones for free.
No problems other than that; I've put about 1,200 rounds through and clean and oil it regularly.
No problems other than that; I've put about 1,200 rounds through and clean and oil it regularly.
I've seen one "hater" comment already. Just to clarify there aren't any haters. Everyone who jokes about or doesn't recommend the firearm does so because they wanted one. Unfortunately there are and were compromises that should be known. The reality is if the XCR was perfect and accurate than all of us would have one. Or if it was a lot cheaper. Don't be labeling people as haters because they joke about the flaws or don't recommend the rifle. Make the rifle perfect and you'll find more people on side. Or bring down the cost so the flaws are tolerable. It's hard to accept too many flaws on a rifle that costs what the XCR does. Especially when a decent AR is half the price. I expect a damn good product or something very unique. A bit more than just it's non restricted status. Because let's face it if the AR were non restricted at it's current price point or even the same as an XCR then no one would buy the XCR.
I'm glad to see the XCR improving. It's good to see many have had good results with their XCR. Personally I'm waiting for a 20" match SS 1:11.25 twist barrel on a XCR-M along with good range reports. Then I may very well buy one.
Those are debatable but fair points other than the "blaxshole" pretty much ruins every thread on the XCR. For the record my XCR has served me as well or better than my two Colt's and one Stag AR-15.
