6.5 Creedmore
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According to the loading manuals, the 6.5 Creedmore is equally capable as the .260 Remington, but Hornady's assertion that it out performs the .270 Winchester I think is optimistic. If I was looking for a 6.5 hunting rifle, I'd probably opt for the Swede, and be no worse off. This class of 6.5 cartridge (Remington, Swede or Creedmore) represents a practical starting point for the general purpose big game rifle.
Pathfinder
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I always though it was 308 based ?
my oldest son ph'd Cabela's to see if they had a new Savage light weight hunter in stock in the 6.5 Creedmore. answer was "yes" we do! He set sail right-o-way and when he got there the Savage Rep was there and told him to go for the 260 instead, if it was to be a hunting rifle. The other is best left to long range target shooting, at this time. Also the fact that the light weight hunter is not a suitable long range shooting rifle. He came home with the 260.
Sask_Hunter
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The 6.5 creedmore/260/6.5x55 are all peas in a pod. The 6.5x55 was/is a good round. It it needed an up date, the 6.5creedmore/260 do that. They are loaded to higher pressures that give them the same speeds as the old swede but in a smaller case.
I like the 6.5 creedmore case design but would shoot a 260 as well
I like the 6.5 creedmore case design but would shoot a 260 as well
Did the Savage rep give any specific reason for dissing the 6.5C as a hunting cartridge? The bullet is just a6.5 bullet like any other - once it leaves the muzzle it doesn't matter what cartridge it popped out of as long as it is stabilized. Was it something to do with the savage rifle -twist rate or something?
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6.5mm Creedmore is often described as 260 Rem done right!
It shorter and fatter which promotes accuracy, has a 30 neck angle and is "0.100 shorter which means that accurate barrel life is much better.
It's very similar to 6.5 x 47 Lapua but almost has the performance of 260 Rem.
The main advantages are better accuracy (short, fat, 30 neck) and better barrel life ("0.100 shorter C.O.A.L).
If you're considering 6.5 Creedmore, you should consider 260 Rem (more practical) and 6.5 x 47 Lapua (one of the most accurate long range cartridge).
Finally, forget the 270 Win comparison since it's basically Hornady marketing bulls**t.
Implying that a 308 Win based 6.5mm cartridge is as powerful as 270 Win is like saying that 270 Win is as powerful as 7mm Rem Mag!
Alex
It shorter and fatter which promotes accuracy, has a 30 neck angle and is "0.100 shorter which means that accurate barrel life is much better.
It's very similar to 6.5 x 47 Lapua but almost has the performance of 260 Rem.
The main advantages are better accuracy (short, fat, 30 neck) and better barrel life ("0.100 shorter C.O.A.L).
If you're considering 6.5 Creedmore, you should consider 260 Rem (more practical) and 6.5 x 47 Lapua (one of the most accurate long range cartridge).
Finally, forget the 270 Win comparison since it's basically Hornady marketing bulls**t.
Implying that a 308 Win based 6.5mm cartridge is as powerful as 270 Win is like saying that 270 Win is as powerful as 7mm Rem Mag!
Alex
tylerjwitty
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260 rem is
6.5x55 can't catch the 260. i know i tried. blew primers out of the 6.5x55 . came close but not quite. that was 5 gr over max btw
Take a look a Vihtavuori modern 6.5x55 load data (139gr at 2880fps with a long target barrel).
I suspect that you used a powder with a too fast burning rate.
6.5x55 has greater case capacity than 260 Rem so it has to be more potent when loaded at the same pressure.
http://www.lapua.com/en/products/reloading/vihtavuori-reloading-data/relodata/5/98
Alex
This is not necessarily so, case taper and shoulder angle also play a part in how a case handles pressure. Different makes of brass also have vast differences in ability to handle pressure.
Your statement needs to be qualified with "more case capacity = more velocity" IN THE SAME SHAPE CASE, especially when were talking small capacity differences like 308 based to swede.
The same holds true of the 6mm rem and 243 Win, the 243 out performs the rem with less powder. It handles the pressure differently, now if you AI the 6mm rem you jump into a whole other realm and it smokes the 243, by over 200 fps with only a little more powder. Again it's case design.
Another good example is the 300 H+H to the 06 AI. the H+H will pressure out before the AI giving a slight velocity advantage to the AI, but if you improve the H+H case (300 Wby) it leaves the 06 AI way back in the dust.
Douglas
just spoke to Sr Jr on the ph. He said the Savage Rep told him that absolutely nothing would be cheap about the 6.5 C, brass, reloading supplies etc. No cheap factory ammo available, none! Not that we want or use cheap s**te, but, he pointed that out! And the fact that here in this fine Centre-of-Canada, stockless empty shelved location, factory ammo would likely be hard to find at times, most times. And any advantage in accuracy would not be noticed in any way with the lil Savage light weight hunter rifle, so he strongly avised him to go for the 260 instead! He wanted the customer to be happy with the purchase of a hunting rifle! I think it was the right choice. The 260 puts nothing but super smiles on all of our faces, including my yougest Jr with his Ruger M77 Stainless/walnut and me with my Browning s/s Stalker. Got nothing against the 6.5 C and no experience with it. Looking forward to up and coming info on it.
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Pathfinder
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It was good advice and a good decision was taken. That lightweight 260 will be a hell of a rifle. Ive read a bit more on the Creedmoor, while im interested i doubt it really catches on...maybe with in some target shooting circles but that's it.
tylerjwitty
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thank you . now i don't have to repeat
tylerjwitty
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next 260 i own might get the AI treatment
I love my 260AI for a hunting rig (use mine on a LA Savage action, DBM 111 stock). Very impressed with the results there if you are willing to tinker. 260 rem is no slouch either if you are not a tinkerer.
Now some say you may run into feeding/chambering issues with the AI but I've not had any issues in the field so far with the aformentioned set up. The AI is even addicting enough to consider buying a reamer
Now some say you may run into feeding/chambering issues with the AI but I've not had any issues in the field so far with the aformentioned set up. The AI is even addicting enough to consider buying a reamer
tylerjwitty
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I love my 260AI for a hunting rig (use mine on a LA Savage action, DBM 111 stock). Very impressed with the results there if you are willing to tinker. 260 rem is no slouch either if you are not a tinkerer.
Now some say you may run into feeding/chambering issues with the AI but I've not had any issues in the field so far with the aformentioned set up. The AI is even addicting enough to consider buying a reamer
what fps can you get with 140 grs
