Daniel Defense AR vs Norinco
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Well, to be fair, the thread title is Daniel Defense AR vs Norinco.
Also, dispite the nastyness, as someone with no experience with AR's -- I found out what I wanted to know, namely, do I have to worry about a norc exploding in my face.
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I'm not a norinco fan, but it'll not explode in your face. It's a good entry AR15. You have to remember it's only 700$ so do not expect 2000$ finish and accuracy. That's it
Someone actually did an "infamous AR chart" comparison of Norcs to other AR's - they came out ahead of Bushmaster - have you seen what Bushmaster is putting out these days? Garbage. There's no excuse for what they're selling, given that they aren't cheap enough to justify the short cuts that they're taking. I fully agree that Norcs are not the equal to any well made AR, you do get what you're paying for generally. The exception that proves that rule just happens to be one of the 3 companies you chose to name, but it isn't Norinco or Colt.
Glock Perfection is quite correct.
They won't blow up in your face - unless you feed them handloads that would blow up any other AR. AR's are an inherently safe design, they are very tough to 'blow up'.
I actually don't currently own a Norc AR, nor do I feel they offer the best bang for the buck. I just get sick of elitist Bullsh*t spewed by guys who have more money than brains, or who don't have other responsibilities in life. Additionally, most guys in Canada really don't do more than putting holes in paper, or knocking down metal plates with their ARs - what exactly do you do with yours? If you're in the CF, I can see that you might need something better, or Law Enforcement, but in either situation, your employer will both provide and specifiy what you get to use. As a civvy, you may want better (and that's cool) but "need", grow up. As far as the "dudes without cash..." goes, you really never know who you're talking to on the internet, so assumptions like that are always questionable.
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Norc owners feeling like they have to justify their AR choice is just as unnecessary as high-end AR owners feeling like they have to justify their choice...I hate to break it to both camps but these are just two sides of the same silly coin and this thread has been flip, flip, flip.
AR-15s...we own them, we love them, we want them...the only thing we should be trying to "justify" is why we need another!
AR-15s...we own them, we love them, we want them...the only thing we should be trying to "justify" is why we need another!
Your first two lines are your ASSUMPTIONS. You assume an aftermarket part that fits on many makes while does not fit on a Norc is because the Norc is out of spec.
For myself I would not use any aftermarket parts fitting to determine if that particular AR is being made to spec. Your example looks logical, but IMO IT IS WRONG. You can only draw a conclusion that a Norc AR is harder to fit aftermarket parts.
After market parts are not Gauges. Unless the dimension/ GD&T/ material spec is out (this has to be checked to confirm), then it is out of spec.
All manufactured items has a tolerance. One make perhaps on the top end, while the other maybe at the low end. So there is room for somethings fits better on a particular parts while the other does not fit, and end up both are in spec.
My Magpul MIAD did not fit my DD. If I tell you it fits on a Norc, what will you say?
I don't care about how whatever brand build their products. But there is just too many unreliable informations/ post which I call BS, on this site.
Only on the Internet is that true!
In real life, everyone would buy an HK if they could unfortunately almost all (99%) simply can't afford one and are looking at LMT and other "reasonably priced" high quality rifles instead.
AR15 owners are not stupid, they're just careful about how they spend their money.
Finally $700 Norinco M4s are a great thing for everyone since they're driving down the prices of almost all AR15s.
Alex
If I did not know anyone that had spec'd a DD or Colt, I might agree.
But I do, so I don't. The norincos frequently fail to fit parts that drop in on known-in-spec guns, which is not that surprising if you have ever taken a set of calipers to any Norinco stuff.
Which, incidentally, I have, because I'm the guy who did the "The Chart" entry for the Norinco AR as enefgee was mentioning above.
I have nothing against Norincos...I have used them a lot and built Norc 1911s and m14s.
But Norinco observance of stuff like the TDP is not what I would call "religious".
Quoted for truth - before the Norc invasion a decent AR started at $1500(ish), now you can get one for $1200(ish)
Maybe the Daniel Defences will get even cheaper, seems they are sticking with Recoil Magaizne, my personal take is they just lost a lot of American customers by there support of the quasi anti editor of the better home and gardens of gun mags. If you have no idea what I am talking about google it, entertainment will follow, then you might question why Daniel Defense ain't bailing on Recoil.
I think it's too soon to tell. Below was an updated add for blemished NEA lowers. It was updated recently. I don't know if that means they didn't sell them before, they had so many or they received a new batch of lowers. Who knows. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt and think they were from the old batch in April when the first add came up. Ultimately I don't really care anymore. I'm not going to risk it.
I'm not criticizing the company selling this. They are upfront and priced it according to what it is. I give them full credit for that. At least you know they are checking them over first.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=741189
Yup the Norc had a big effect. NEA also coming into the $1000 rifle market helped get the prices down to a more reasonable level. I used that opportunity to buy LMT.
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blaxsun
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Actually, you'll find that most high-end AR owners don't have or feel the need to justify their choice. A lot of us wanted something unique and very specific. And more often than not, it wasn't available in a $700 package.
There's nothing wrong with that Norc; it just wasn't for some of us. But hey, it brought someone else into the sport and got them excited about black rifles.
Well said.
