A Way to Get 10 Rounds in SKS Legally?

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Okay, someone asked if it can fire rapidly. Yes, it can.

So far, I've never had a single jam with this setup. I've put about 200 rounds through it.

I find it a little tricky to get the 10th round in the magazine, as you'll see in the video. I didn't edit out my futzing around because I want you to see what this thing is really like... I think the problem is that my magazine catch is interfering with the spring in the magazine. I might be able to improve that so I can load the whole mag right from the stripper clip. (Not by modifying the magazine, of course, but by modifying the catch that holds it in).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o43LGrk8m1o
 
mdmaroon said:
Okay, someone asked if it can fire rapidly. Yes, it can.

So far, I've never had a single jam with this setup. I've put about 200 rounds through it.

I find it a little tricky to get the 10th round in the magazine, as you'll see in the video. I didn't edit out my futzing around because I want you to see what this thing is really like... I think the problem is that my magazine catch is interfering with the spring in the magazine. I might be able to improve that so I can load the whole mag right from the stripper clip. (Not by modifying the magazine, of course, but by modifying the catch that holds it in).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o43LGrk8m1o
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Very nice! Squaring off a bit more will help you retain better control during rapid fire.
 
Hey MD, I've got an XCR mag on order from Wolverine, so I'm ready to give it a go. Probably gonna do it with a retired machinist neighbor and I might video the process if he's cool with it. I just had a magazine catch-related question. The one shown in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc63FhBzAK8 [Guys, save this link, this is a walkthrough for the entire process] wasn't holding the mag well and during your test-fire you had to hold the mag in by hand.. How did you solve that?
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
Hey MD, I've got an XCR mag on order from Wolverine, so I'm ready to give it a go. Probably gonna do it with a retired machinist neighbor and I might video the process if he's cool with it. I just had a magazine catch-related question. The one shown in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc63FhBzAK8 [Guys, save this link, this is a walkthrough for the entire process] wasn't holding the mag well and during your test-fire you had to hold the mag in by hand.. How did you solve that?
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The original magazine catch had a rolled end where it latched into the magazine. I made a new one that was basically just bent like an L at the end.

The trouble is, you can't pull the magazine out. You just have to load with stripper clips. I'm not completely happy with that, but it functions flawlessly, so I'm reluctant to change it until I can figure out a better way to do it. So far I haven't come up with a better idea.
 
mdmaroon said:
The original magazine catch had a rolled end where it latched into the magazine. I made a new one that was basically just bent like an L at the end.

The trouble is, you can't pull the magazine out. You just have to load with stripper clips. I'm not completely happy with that, but it functions flawlessly, so I'm reluctant to change it until I can figure out a better way to do it. So far I haven't come up with a better idea.
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I don't mind loading it with stripper clips, just worried about 2 things..

1) Smooth load of 10 rds (saw that the catch was messing with the spring)

and more importantly...

2) If you can't remove the mag without stripping the rifle, does it become part of a rifle? Does the legal classification change?

Btw, the reason I don't mind loading with stripper clips is that once you've got it down pat, it's as fast or maybe even faster than changing mags. As long as our mags are neutered to 10rds or less for semi-auto centerfire firearms, strippers are just fine by me.
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
I don't mind loading it with stripper clips, just worried about 2 things..

1) Smooth load of 10 rds (saw that the catch was messing with the spring)

and more importantly...

2) If you can't remove the mag without stripping the rifle, does it become part of a rifle? Does the legal classification change?

Btw, the reason I don't mind loading with stripper clips is that once you've got it down pat, it's as fast or maybe even faster than changing mags. As long as our mags are neutered to 10rds or less for semi-auto centerfire firearms, strippers are just fine by me.
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The magazine does not become part of the rifle. It isn't modified in any way, and it can be removed, but it's a hassle.

The magazine is legal to possess, and it doesn't matter what you do with it, as long as you don't modify it.

I think the loading problems I was having were because I had the spring in the magazine oriented wrong. I opened it up, put it in a different way and now the follower seems to depress very easily. I probably messed it up when I first got it and took it apart to see what the guts look like. I'll have to load a stripper clip to test it, but I hate doing that in the house! I'll either have to wait until I go out shooting again, or maybe I could take the bolt out and just put the bolt carrier in position. However it's bed time!
 
TRaTSeRiF said:
I don't mind loading it with stripper clips, just worried about 2 things..

1) Smooth load of 10 rds (saw that the catch was messing with the spring)

and more importantly...

2) If you can't remove the mag without stripping the rifle, does it become part of a rifle? Does the legal classification change?

Btw, the reason I don't mind loading with stripper clips is that once you've got it down pat, it's as fast or maybe even faster than changing mags. As long as our mags are neutered to 10rds or less for semi-auto centerfire firearms, strippers are just fine by me.
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If its in the gun or detached its the samething...

ANY SEMI AUTO CENTER FIRE CAN"T HOLD MORE THEN 5 Rounds... Designed and manfactured for..... Interal or exteral magazine or Tube or something else..

Now if you have a bolt action or lever action rilfe then there are no limits at all. Same with rim fire unless they're pistols and it's 10 only.

So if a company made a magazine that happend to fit into the rifle and was say a million rounds and was made for a bolt action rifle it would be legal but since there are none there are no choices for it...

Now say you drill a hole in a magazine to make it fit then you modified the magazine and now it's a prohibit device because you made it work in a semi auto by changeing the way the magazine works. But if you change the gun it's fine just not the magazine.
 
Thanks for the clarification.. In any case, even if it's a single mag and loaded from the top with stripper clips and lets say it loads easy.. Would you really save any time by dropping one mag and putting in another as opposed to slamming a stripper clip in and down? Strippers are also a bit more compact, easier to carry.

Also, any ideas on a better mag catch design that would hold it in firm, but would allow easy removal?
 
haha49 said:
ANY SEMI AUTO CENTER FIRE RIFLE MAGAZINE CAN"T HOLD MORE THEN 5 Rounds... Designed and manfactured for..... Interal or exteral magazine or Tube or something else..
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Fixed it for you. It's the magazine that can't hold more than five rounds, if it was designed for a semi-auto center-fire rifle.

There is absolutely nothing in the law or regulations saying that a semi-auto rifle can't have a magazine holding more than five rounds. It's the magazine that the law applies to, not the gun itself.

If a magazine was designed for a pistol, the limit is 10 rounds, but you can use it in a rifle, if you can make it work without modifying the magazine.
 
I finally finished procrastinating and got started.. Ground down the shoulders on the receiver so the mag will go all the way up. Got to rounds by hand no problem, couldn't get the bolt because I didn't get around to fixing the bolt hold-open to allow that. Gonna write up a detailed tutorial and most likely also include MD's video (with his permission). Here she is:

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TRaTSeRiF said:
I finally finished procrastinating and got started.. Ground down the shoulders on the receiver so the mag will go all the way up. Got to rounds by hand no problem, couldn't get the bolt because I didn't get around to fixing the bolt hold-open to allow that. Gonna write up a detailed tutorial and most likely also include MD's video (with his permission).
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Congratulations! Hope it all works out. If you run into any snags I might be able to help.
 
mdmaroon said:
I haven't tried this, but I assume it would work...

If you open the magazine, throw 10 rounds in from the bottom (with the bolt closed so they don't fall through), close the cover as far as you can, put an elastic band around it to keep the bullets in, then you have 10 rounds in your SKS, but you haven't modified anything... The plug is still there so it still only hold five rounds if you close the magazine cover.

LOL... I know... This is ridiculous... But so are magazine limits... ;)

Edit: This is kind of a joke...but it does work. I don't recommend it, and besides, your buddies will laugh at you and call you an idiot. The serious part of this thread starts later. I'm going to attempt to adapt my SKS to fit an XCR 10 round pistol magazine. A whole bunch of people got their panties in a knot and wanted me banned because they were unfamiliar with the laws pertaining to magazine capacities. What I'm suggesting is not illegal...as you will find out if you bother to read this, or many other threads on the subject... In a nutshell, you can possess a 10 round pistol magazine, as long as it has been approved by the RCMP (which the XCR has), and it doesn't matter what gun you use the magazine in. This is a well-known fact, and is confirmed by information posted on the RCMP website. This isn't a loop-hole or work-around. There's no law TO get around, but many people think there is. They are mistaken. The capacity of a firearm is not limited in any way. It's only the magazine that is limited. Five rounds for a rifle, and ten rounds for a pistol. It is perfectly legal to use any non-prohibited magazine in ANY gun, even if the magazine was not originally designed for that gun, and even if you have to modify the receiver of the gun to accept the magazine. You cannot modify the magazine, because then it would no longer be in its approved form. There are a number of commercially available rifles which happen to accept pistol magazines. The RCMP is well aware of this as they approved them for sale. Really, there's nothing for anyone to get excited about in this thread...

Here is what the RCMP has to say on this matter:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
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This could cause irregular pressure on the feeding system in which the rifle is designed to operate.

Serious safety issue. Rounds could jam, misfire and in the worst case, the gun could blow up in your hands,
possibly injure you or someone beside you.

DO NOT DO THIS TO YOUR SKS - DO NOT MESS WITH YOUR SKS's FEEDING SYSTEM

It's not worth trying to cram another 5 rounds into your gun only because of politics and compromising the safety
aspect of the rifle in the process.
 
This is so cool. I might have to buy a second SKS to try this out. Pay no attention to the nay-sayers, they're everywhere and will drag you down, i was thinking what if you modified the stock, and ran an extention off the spring steel mag catch above the mounting point to make a teeter-totter effect for removing the magazine? Im 100 percent certain there's a simple answer for that problem hiding near by, I love this stuff.
 
jollyroger said:
i was thinking what if you modified the stock, and ran an extention off the spring steel mag catch above the mounting point to make a teeter-totter effect for removing the magazine? Im 100 percent certain there's a simple answer for that problem hiding near by, I love this stuff.
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Improving on the mag catch design is on the drawing board for my project.

alliedarms.ca said:
This could cause irregular pressure on the feeding system in which the rifle is designed to operate.
Serious safety issue. Rounds could jam, misfire and in the worst case, the gun could blow up in your hands,
possibly injure you or someone beside you.
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Relax and read through the rest of the thread. MD figured out everything that needs to be done to feed 10 rounds reliably and it didn't involve a rubber band. You might even learn something :cool:
 
jollyroger said:
This is so cool. I might have to buy a second SKS to try this out. Pay no attention to the nay-sayers, they're everywhere and will drag you down, i was thinking what if you modified the stock, and ran an extention off the spring steel mag catch above the mounting point to make a teeter-totter effect for removing the magazine? Im 100 percent certain there's a simple answer for that problem hiding near by, I love this stuff.
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This Nay-Sayer works on these rifles for a living and is also a firearms specialty dealer on this forum.
 
If someone has an accident by trying to copy these ideas on their SKS, do you think they will admit it on CGN? NO.

This is playing with FIRE, litterally.

If someone wants to to this to their SKS, there's no stopping them. But don't go around advertising this on the forum for
everyone to try. I'm seeing entire receiver parts on the SKS being modified on this thread here, bolts, mags. You name it.
 
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