Using a sling on your Black Rifle

I thought I would jump in here with some info. I recently attended a carbine course by Phase Line Green out here. Now, I admit I am huge Magpul fanboy and I have been running a MS2 and 3 for years now. However, with a 14.5inch AR, I found I was consatntly switching from 1 to 2 point. It became part of my ready drills. Switch to 1 point, check sight, load/ready rifle, press check, load/ready pistol and press check. After the string/engagement was done, I'd switch back to 2 point. I am now going to be switching back to a 2 point sling because that extra step will not be there when I need to make the shot right away. As stated, the MS3 is not long enough to run continually in the 2 point config. It holds the gun tight to the chest, but you will need to slide or unclip the buckle to shoulder the gun. I was using the ASAP plate and RSA loop about half-way down the top rail. Shoulder transitions can still be effectively done with the 2 point, especially with the rear mount on the opposite side of the shooters cheek. With enough slack the gun can be moved over and aimed with the non-dominate eye. Hand position stays the same. Or, drop your left arm out of the sling and move gun to left shoulder while switching hands. All this can be done with practice.
In the end, I will be switching back to a 2 point BFG just like I ran on both of my tours in the 'Stan. Attachment will be on the oposite side of the stock and half way down the rail. I will also have an attachment point at the receiver end plate which will allow the 1 point config if I want. Push button connecters on both ends. One, because I can switch the sling between guns and two, it is easier to dump the gun completely in a casulty sitituation.
YMMV
 
All that being said, on a 12.5 inch and shorter gun, the single point is the heat. It will not have the "smack you in the junk" pendulum action that a longer barrel will when transitioning to hands on or secondary.

Hoddie
 
nza said:
I've mentioned in other threads (ar essentials...), a good sling is a must. even though farmboy is hawking his own wares, he can back that s**t up. the vcas is the shiznit. If there were easy methods of attaching vcas to ak's it would definitely be a paradigm shift for the ppl i mentor.

I've toyed with magpul slings, and three point slings, and bungee slings, and all sorts of home made or modified slings... Even the nightmarish c7 sling...uggghhh...and I keep going back to the bfg vcas sling.

Truth be told, I've NEVER mounted, dismounted with a slung gun over my shoulder. good practice or not, I don't know, but for me, its plain awkward.
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On fixed stocks just put a loop of paracord around the small of the stock. Most of the folders already have a side sling loop.
 
How about some pics of attaching a BFG VCAS to a TAVOR? I've got at least 3-4 VCAS & padded VCAS kicking around on my ARs that I picked up from OSTS, - just wondering what would be the strongest "fix" to that pesky problem of no rear sling swivel mount. I hate using paracord to "secure" any firearm.
 
Here is the Ultimate sling problem:

Work AR is a C8A1, generally just handed off a rack somewhat short notice.
What is the best option that I can swap on in <5mins without tools.

I've used a VCAS and it was pure ###, but which specific attachment system will fit the bill. Remembering that nothing can stay on the rifle unless I was someone else to own it by the next watch.

Trying to convince the COC that spending $60x10 on slings is a good investment and doesn't constitute a "modification" is like trying to tell them that 6 5rd mags have more training value than 1 30rd one.

Cheers,
Grant
 
hoddie said:
All that being said, on a 12.5 inch and shorter gun, the single point is the heat. It will not have the "smack you in the junk" pendulum action that a longer barrel will when transitioning to hands on or secondary.

Hoddie
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All my carbines have 12" barrel lengths or under so no junk hitting for me during transitions. I guess that is why I still prefer the single point. I just picked up an MS3 and will be giving it a whirl this weekend trying Farmboy's shoulder change method. So far the MS3 seems to be a much better execution of the MS2 concept. It has a much wider and better quality strap. Much better quality hardware and a better designed clasp, which should eliminate it catching and releasing on gear.
 
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Here is the Ultimate sling problem:

Work AR is a C8A1, generally just handed off a rack somewhat short notice.
What is the best option that I can swap on in <5mins without tools.

I've used a VCAS and it was pure ###, but which specific attachment system will fit the bill. Remembering that nothing can stay on the rifle unless I was someone else to own it by the next watch.

Trying to convince the COC that spending $60x10 on slings is a good investment and doesn't constitute a "modification" is like trying to tell them that 6 5rd mags have more training value than 1 30rd one.

Cheers,
Grant
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Get me a meeting with the COC. Same for anyone else who is trying to convince their chain of command to switch to the VCAS.
 
Farmboy said:
Get me a meeting with the COC. Same for anyone else who is trying to convince their chain of command to switch to the VCAS.
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That would require them to understand that there is a problem. Not so easy in the Navy environment compared to Army, our COC doesn't use carbines.

I'd much rather have something I can transfer from weapon to weapon as needed. Bonus points if it'll work on the 870 and C7.

-Grant
 
I was thinking MASH hooks would be the most universal. Would work on MP5 then too right?

Toughest part would be taking off the carry straps for install. Worth it I'd say. Better still if slings could just be issued to member and all the weapons left bare, no constant adjusting crap.

Thanks,
Grant
 
Yes, MASH hooks will work on any of the HK and Sig firearms.


Once you take the simple sling/carry strap off the C7/C7A2/C8 and hand it back in your fine. The guys putting them away won't take the time to put it back on for you.

The problem will be when they don't accept it and hand it back to you and say "Put the sling pack on!" :D
 
Stupid question but will the padded VCAS adjust short enough to make the MP5 tight to the body? Likewise is it long enough to run the C9?

Any smart ideas of getting it attached near the delta-ring without a railed for-end? I'm thinking some kevlar webbing or something similar.

Thanks,
Grant

P.S. Expect a call/order soon.
 
Grantmac said:
Here is the Ultimate sling problem:

Work AR is a C8A1, generally just handed off a rack somewhat short notice.
What is the best option that I can swap on in <5mins without tools.

I've used a VCAS and it was pure ###, but which specific attachment system will fit the bill. Remembering that nothing can stay on the rifle unless I was someone else to own it by the next watch.

Trying to convince the COC that spending $60x10 on slings is a good investment and doesn't constitute a "modification" is like trying to tell them that 6 5rd mags have more training value than 1 30rd one.

Cheers,
Grant
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I use a Boonie Packer 2P TQA combined with their kevlar silent front sling mount. I can put it on the C7 in under a minute (quicker than the issue 2 point). The kevlar sling mount requires nothing extra to be attached to the rifle and I can even sqeeze it into the FSB with the Triad attached. Only downside I can find is that they only come in black. The whole setup cost me around $35 with free shipping.

You might not be able to convince the chain of command to buy them but I doubt too many would notice it if you used one.

The sling operates similar to the VCAS.
 
Ganderite said:
I am using a 2 point. Sometimes it gets in the way of a mag change in CQB. I am thinking a single point would solve this. Right?
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Yeah, that would help for sure. It's the main reason I stick to a single point for CQB. It's not like we need two hands free while doing admin task while our rifles are hanging. A single point lets things dangle free but for that particular match format it's not a big deal.
 
This is the best way yet I've found to run a two point adjustable sling.

Because the rifle lays on it's left side vertically on your chest, and the buttstock end of the sling goes over your right shoulder, when you bring the rifle up it forces the sling to clear the buttpad.


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