I dun git it.

[blaxsun]

Are you saying you're experienced with a very short barrel?

I have been apparently known to dabble...

this poll reeks of fudd.

Yep. If at first you can't succeed, FUDD, FUDD again...

 

[gofaster775]

Chuck3436;

Round frag depends on a lot of things, and does not the primary terminal effect.
I know what you're saying, but to be clear, the round is still effective past the distances you mentioned.
anything down to about 10.5" will be viable out to 300. Not optimal, but viable.

I want a 10.5 just to save the weight, and the accuracy compromises out to 200 are negligible for me, coming from a 16".

 

[GLOCK_PERFECTION]

I have an 14.5 and 10.5 AR15. I have no other use for them except target shooting. They are cool range toy for me just like any other restricted firearms.

You can ask why some folks buy stainless pistols?? They are more expensive and it's only for range.

You can ask why the majority here on CGN have more that 10 guns at home?? Just because we like different models.

Why a Ford over a chevy??

In the end it's personal preferences.

 

[blaxsun]

I want a 10.5 just to save the weight, and the accuracy compromises out to 200 are negligible for me, coming from a 16".

I hear you. I'm hoping to be just shy of 5lbs with my next build.

 

[TV-PressPass]

I like that PDW ARs are cool to Americans too. Their whole SBR thing means that not many of them bother to build below the 16" barrels.

 

[blaxsun]

I like that PDW ARs are cool to Americans too. Their whole SBR thing means that not many of them bother to build below the 16" barrels.

That's one thing Americans envy us for: SBRs are prohibited in about 30% of the US, and where available it requires a $200 tax stamp, approval from local LE and functions similar to a restricted firearm here (has to be registered, license needs to be with firearm at all times and permission is required to take it out-of-state).

 

[hbean]

Keep in mind after that $200 tax stamp you are free to anywhere in your State with your SBR and out of state with permission, compare that with yearly range membership of $200+ for the privilege being coupe up behind a fence

 

[TDC]

I have an 14.5 and 10.5 AR15. I have no other use for them except target shooting. They are cool range toy for me just like any other restricted firearms.

You can ask why some folks buy stainless pistols?? They are more expensive and it's only for range.

You can ask why the majority here on CGN have more that 10 guns at home?? Just because we like different models.

Why a Ford over a chevy??

In the end it's personal preferences.

That's a lie. Everyone who owns more than one firearm will tell you that each one serves a specific purpose and are absolutely necessary.

TDC

 

[New Camper]

I like to think it is because all PDW AR owners are very well endowed, so there is no need to compensate with long barrels.

If your logic of "inverse proportion" is correct than anyone who lacks a 12.6/12.7 (who can legally obtain prohibs) will be lesser than those who do: An added point is that most prohib owners with their 2" barreled Baby Brownings will generally, tend to be "senior". {thinking to self... are knuckle dusters considered non-guns because of antique status...}

TDC - kinetic energy is energy posessed by a moving object and two factors in that equation are speed and mass. Yes, velocity entered into the formula has a greater influence on the energy of a moving object than mass:

E = velocity squared/ two X mass

I must apologize to Elmer Keith for my apostasy but before I do, think about this: Of the rifle cartridges used for dangerous game, what is the average bullet velocity? Usually under 3000fps, but with heavy bullets: Something not considered in the formula is friction: A heavier object in motion will retain it's velocity longer. Why is a 308win, with a 168gr, 2600fps bullet, more effective than a 223 70gr, 3200fps bullet especially as the distance increases.

To each his own, but handguns have advantages in confined locations: Approaching a door, or corner the crumpled weaver stance cannot be accomplished with any shoulder fired weapon: A few feet of weapon can be deflected before a threat is reacted too, while a seven inch pistol will protrude but a few inches away from the hand. As too pistols being anemic: My 44magnum can deliver a 240gr slug beyond a conservative 1200fps: This produces over 1100ft/lbs at the muzzle, which is no different than the muzzle energy from a 223rem. Of course the 44 ballistics are from a short barrel as opposed to those of the 223.

Anyway, I believe there is an ideal medium between the two factors of velocity and mass in bullets where barrels last, and the velocity potential is reached with a sufficiently heavy bullet for whatever is being shot. Preferances are all over the place, so to each his own: If a man can afford a 700NE, but not a spotting scope, he won't need the scope to see the holes in his target. If a man wants to hunt grizzly with a 44mag revolver, the only thing standing in the way are regulations formulated in the peanut gallery.

Back to the poll: I don't get it, but have tried, would try again and certainly have no interest in raining on someone else's interest.

 

[GLOCK_PERFECTION]

That's a lie. Everyone who owns more than one firearm will tell you that each one serves a specific purpose and are absolutely necessary.

TDC

We can tell the truth..... No wifes here

 

[blaxsun]

We can tell the truth..... No wifes here...

"Yet" being the operative word...

 

[TDC]

If your logic of "inverse proportion" is correct than anyone who lacks a 12.6/12.7 (who can legally obtain prohibs) will be lesser than those who do: An added point is that most prohib owners with their 2" barreled Baby Brownings will generally, tend to be "senior". {thinking to self... are knuckle dusters considered non-guns because of antique status...}

TDC - kinetic energy is energy posessed by a moving object and two factors in that equation are speed and mass. Yes, velocity entered into the formula has a greater influence on the energy of a moving object than mass:

E = velocity squared/ two X mass

I must apologize to Elmer Keith for my apostasy but before I do, think about this: Of the rifle cartridges used for dangerous game, what is the average bullet velocity? Usually under 3000fps, but with heavy bullets: Something not considered in the formula is friction: A heavier object in motion will retain it's velocity longer. Why is a 308win, with a 168gr, 2600fps bullet, more effective than a 223 70gr, 3200fps bullet especially as the distance increases.

To each his own, but handguns have advantages in confined locations: Approaching a door, or corner the crumpled weaver stance cannot be accomplished with any shoulder fired weapon: A few feet of weapon can be deflected before a threat is reacted too, while a seven inch pistol will protrude but a few inches away from the hand. As too pistols being anemic: My 44magnum can deliver a 240gr slug beyond a conservative 1200fps: This produces over 1100ft/lbs at the muzzle, which is no different than the muzzle energy from a 223rem. Of course the 44 ballistics are from a short barrel as opposed to those of the 223.

Anyway, I believe there is an ideal medium between the two factors of velocity and mass in bullets where barrels last, and the velocity potential is reached with a sufficiently heavy bullet for whatever is being shot. Preferances are all over the place, so to each his own: If a man can afford a 700NE, but not a spotting scope, he won't need the scope to see the holes in his target. If a man wants to hunt grizzly with a 44mag revolver, the only thing standing in the way are regulations formulated in the peanut gallery.

Back to the poll: I don't get it, but have tried, would try again and certainly have no interest in raining on someone else's interest.

Good points, but the 44 mag is not practical for CCW or LE work. Like you said, there's a happy medium that needs to be settled on and I think it depends on the user and the intended role.

TDC