Antique handgun carry as sidearm?

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hey everyone.. I have a Restricted and Non Restricted licence and live in the Toronto GTA. I know the laws with those licences, but Antiques is a new one for me.

all i need to know is ....
-can you carry a Antique handgun as a sidearm in a holster? loaded? and where ?
-if you can, with a rifle or shotgun?
-one on each hip (or 2) ?

the laws are not black and white forantiques....

thx
 
rocco said:
hey everyone.. I have a Restricted and Non Restricted licence and live in the Toronto GTA. I know the laws with those licences, but Antiques is a new one for me.

all i need to know is ....
-can you carry a Antique handgun as a sidearm in a holster? loaded? and where ?
-if you can, with a rifle or shotgun?
-one on each hip (or 2) ?

the laws are not black and white forantiques....

thx
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The only difference between a restricted firarm and an antique is that you don't need a registration certificate or an ATT.

Antiques are still considered firearms. Let that be your guideline.
 
i called the RCMP today.. they said yes, you can holster a antique handgun loaded... but they did not know where, and did not if 2 is ok ...i am waiting on PAPER WORK for that and a call from there team leader...

OPP said no..but the OPP said you need a licence to BUY a antique firearm..I dont think the OPP understand what a antique is...

i think this post is great.. I called the Chief of Firearms Office today... They said... 'it is not a firearm'

some say Yes and some say NO.. it took 2h on the phone being transferd all over ontario from Ottawa to Orillia..... no one knows 100% on paper real proof..
 
What you hear on the phone isn't worth diddly. It must be in writing and on letterhead. Even then, the person writing might not know their stuff. I would recommend reading some of the stickies at the top.
 
This kind of stupid will end the prescribed antique fun for everyone. Relax, take a deep breath and slow the #### down.

Legal to carry an unconcealed antique handgun loaded? Yes, if you're doing it in a place and at a time it's legal to discharge an unrestricted firearm.

Not smart to burn up the phone lines to every civil servant in Ottawa.
 
ya the phone thing was useless...the opp said 'why do you want to carry a handgun ' he was mad... i dont want to carry it around.. just want to understand what the law is..

thanks
 
thanks Leonidas i appreciate your time.. but i am calm.. and we pay alot of tax. we can call everyone in ottawa if we want... they work for US... they kept on transferring me because nobody was qualified to give me an answer...try it yourself...
 
A big part of antique ownership is know what boundaries to test and what not to.

I'm not saying we should run and hide, but many members on here are cautious explaining the ins and outs of antique laws because they are concerned that someone will do something deemed offensive or unacceptable and cause all antique laws to be repealed and wrecked for all owners. All it takes is one fool to get the media in an uproar.

Also, even if you are properly informed and shooting your antique legally be very prepared to be interrogated by the police and very probably have your antique taken away while they figure out what's going on. I recommend doing a lot of research, like you are doing now, getting everything in print, and carrying a binder with all your info and antique status papers with any gun you move outside of the house. Also having multiple copies of the antique regulations is very useful when dealing with multiple officers, range wardens, fudds etc etc. Otherwise a police officer will walk away with your copy and another will ask for the same paper, leaving you in the lurch.
 
Leonidas said:
This kind of stupid will end the prescribed antique fun for everyone. Relax, take a deep breath and slow the f**k down.

Legal to carry an unconcealed antique handgun loaded? Yes, if you're doing it in a place and at a time it's legal to discharge an unrestricted firearm.

Not smart to burn up the phone lines to every civil servant in Ottawa.
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Your first sentence is a little dramatic, no?

Your third has me confused. When I have a question like the op's, who do I call? You understand what "civil servant" means, right?
 
9x19p said:
Your first sentence is a little dramatic, no?

Your third has me confused. When I have a question like the op's, who do I call? You understand what "civil servant" means, right?
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you said no...the other guy said Yes... ? how am i dramatic?
 
Under the current legislation, "any antique firearm" (including, apparently, a loaded one) is not a "firearm" that is what the RCMP told me.... so I asked WHERE ? that is where it got messed up... they said they will call me tomorrow (team leader)

i am not trying to start sh**.. just answers in the LAW not bullcrap..
 
9x19p said:
Your first sentence is a little dramatic, no?

Your third has me confused. When I have a question like the op's, who do I call? You understand what "civil servant" means, right?
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rcmp

Ontario
Firearms Office
1-800-731-4000 ext. 7503
 
Perhaps a little dramatic... Rocco did come across a bit overly excited for a first post.

My point is that this area of the law is fairly clear as read but is not widely known outside of shooting circles... And perhaps that is for the best unless we want this particular "loophole" changed.
 
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/antique-historique-eng.htm

Handguns:
manufactured before 1898 that can discharge only rim-fire cartridges, other than .22 Calibre Short, .22 Calibre Long or .22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges;
manufactured before 1898 that can discharge centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge .32 Short Colt, .32 Long Colt, .32 Smith and Wesson, .32 Smith and Wesson Long, .32‑20 Winchester, .38 Smith and Wesson; .38 Short Colt, .38 Long Colt, .38-40 Winchester, .44‑40 Winchester, or .45 Colt cartridges.

Safety Regulations
Under the Firearms Act and corresponding regulations, antique firearms must be stored, displayed and transported unloaded.

If an individual is transporting antique firearms by vehicle and needs to leave them unattended*, they should be left in the vehicle’s locked trunk or similar compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk or compartment, the vehicle must be locked with the antique firearms inside and out of sight.

Antique handguns must be transported in a locked, non-transparent container that cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.

So no, you can't walk around with a loaded antique anywhere you want.

More reading here:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-40.html#h-37
 
Probably some day an antigue handgun will make the Toronto Sun or other news with an article on a crime, and/or someone showing that with no licence they can have and carry a sidearm. Then there will be a bill or amendment etc to change the law for non long gun antiques.
 
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