Need guidance from experienced hunter

Between the 270 and the 30-06 you really can't go wrong for an all around big game cartridge. The classic most popular bullet weight in 270 is 130 gr. This was championed by Jack O'Connor decades ago in Outdoor Life Magazine with numerous articles. He took many big game animals all over the world with the 270 and 130 gr premium bullets. The 270 with 130 gr Sierra Gamekings is my most favorite deer combination, and I've lost count as to how many deer I've had fall to that combo over the decades of my hunting career. If I were carrying a 270 and was hunting moose or elk, I'd like to have a 130 gr Barnes Tsx loaded or something along those lines, but what most people use is 150 gr bullets

The 30-06 is also a proven game getter and all around hunting cartridge. The classic most popular bullet choice is 180 gr, but many people also like 150 gr bullets for medium sized game like deer and pronghorn. In my 30-06's I typically use 165gr bullets [like a Nosler Accubond or something], and recently have been playing with 130 gr Barnes TTSX bullets. There's no North American game I wouldn't hunt with a good 30-06 and the appropriate bullet.

After that it's just personal preference. But both are more than perfectly capable doing what you want.
 
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Well between 30/06 and 270 I'd go 30/06 as more factory ammo is available but if you want a rifle that will do anything and not punish your shoulder I'd go with a 308. Plenty of factory ammo available everywhere and it has taken down everything I aimed it at from groundhogs to Grizzlies.
 
I think 270 is the best choice, 300 Win-Mag is effective beyond 200m-300m. Closer than that it just goes through with not much shock power. If you wish to consume your game, stay away from 300 Win-Mag, because a quarter of the meat will be destroyed and becomes Coyote food.
 
I think 270 is the best choice, 300 Win-Mag is effective beyond 200m-300m. Closer than that it just goes through with not much shock power. If you wish to consume your game, stay away from 300 Win-Mag, because a quarter of the meat will be destroyed and becomes Coyote food.

I'm sorry, but that is just very bad advice that reveals a serious lack of experience. I hope the OP will ignore it.

The .270, 280, 30-06, 308, should be your first hunting rifle. After that, you should plan to get more "specialized" cartridges.
 
when i started hunting many years ago a local gunshop set me up with a ruger m77 in 300 wm. his idea as i was very green was to sell me a rifle i could use for years, not out grow and hunt anything with. i used that rifle for over ten years as it was the only one i owned. i took moose deer and blackbear. it was quite accurate and i shot it so mutch the accuracy began to fall off. i eventually traded it in on a new one. if i were to do again it would be a 30 06 or a 300 wm. cheap ammo and easy to find. now i hunt with many differnt rifles and no better results than when i only owned one..
 
The only time a Quebecer with a 30-06 shows the slightest tinge of envy towards his 300 mag toting partner is up on the tundra hunting caribou. And even then, it's only a tinge and very short-lived.


And OP - I bought an FN made Husqvarna commercial Mauser 98 from TradeEx and couldn't be happier for the price I paid. Just make sure you understand the implications of shroud safety vs. trigger safety.
 
Both good choices. I personally don't shoot either. I use 308, 7 Rem Mag, 7x57, 6.5x55. All perfectly acceptable to kill most american game. Like the others have said, it comes down to shot placement.

And you need lots of practice. So choose a caliber that you can buy at your local gun shop. Or start reloading. But that is another topic.
 
...The superfast rounds have an advantage at distance in that they don't drop as much. Let's look at a .308 Win and a .300 Win Mag, both firing a 180 gr BTSP and both sighted in at 200 yards. At 200 yards, they will of course be spot on target. The .308's bullet leaves the muzzle at 2,500 fps and the .300 Win Mag's at 2,800 fps. (You can play around with velocities and bullets all you want; the end result will be more or less the same.)

At 300 yards, the .308's bullet will have dropped 10.2", while the Magnum's will have dropped 7.8", meaning you'd need to hold over that much to be on target. A 2½" difference.

At 400 yards, the .308's bullet will have dropped 26.4", while the Magnum's will have dropped 22.7". Closer to 4" difference.

At 500 yards, the .308's bullet will have dropped 56.4", while the Magnum's will have dropped 45.9". 10½" - almost a foot.

In other words, at extreme distances, hold-over is to some degree easier to compensate for (although you would still have to hold over almost four feet for the .300 Win Mag at 500 yards.) This is an advantage...

No it isn't! Hold over isn't accurate at long range nor is it recommended. If you know the distance to your target and know the actual drop of your bullet at that distance, you "click" up for that yardage and hold the crosshairs where you want the bullet to hit. If any of the above is guess work you simply don't take the shot, especially beyond the 300yd mark.
 
wow, there are a lot of good info.. but unfortunately from each side of the options i got.. struggle between 30-06, 270, 308 (i wont touch the 300wm unless something radically change in my life and go hunt bigger game).

About the 30-06, i see a lot of comment about easily availability of ammo.. i am not too worry about that, i wont go plinking with it beside range accuracy and distance practice so in a situation where im going to hunt.. i can shop local+online all around canada for ammo and have what i need for the time where im gonna need it. (side quest: i wonder how much 30/06, 270, 308 rounds do you carry on a weekend hunting trip)

To continue with the 30-06, 270, 308 struggle.. wiki taught me that the 30-06 Springfield was used for something like 50 years by the us army.. and these days, switched to 308. From that single argument .. there must be a good reason for the switch.. is it a world of difference.. probably not..but still.. there must be a good reason. If the .308 got less drop due to power.. i will go that way. (i change my caliber choice way too often, but would like to not regret my choice if its the only one i'll buy) Lets remove the easily availability of ammo from the equation.
 
Here is what my common sense recommendation would be if I were buying.
A)Choose the action for the type of hunting and/or environment you will be hunting in.

B) Handle as many rifles as you can at as many retailers as possible.Find the one that feels good, fits your frame, aims/points like an extension of you.If it feels good in your grasp that is the most important factor.

C)Options like DM, floor plate, stainless , stock designs, etc................

D)Choose a chambering available in that rifle.For 99% of game taking situations the shots will be very close, likely under 150 yards.Any chambering discussed here will work and work well, don't let cartridge decide what rifle you buy, let the rifle pick you based on feel.
 
To continue with the 30-06, 270, 308 struggle.. wiki taught me that the 30-06 Springfield was used for something like 50 years by the us army.. and these days, switched to 308. From that single argument .. there must be a good reason for the switch.. is it a world of difference.. probably not..but still.. there must be a good reason. If the .308 got less drop due to power.. i will go that way. (i change my caliber choice way too often, but would like to not regret my choice if its the only one i'll buy) Lets remove the easily availability of ammo from the equation.

The reasons the American army switched from .30-06 to .308 (actually 7.62x51 but I digress) has little to do with anything concerning bolt action sporting rifles. The switch had more to do with functioning in automatic weapons and magazines, weight of ammo, etc.
The only advantage a .308 has over the .30-06 in a sporting rifle is that it can be chambered in a short action rifle (vs. long action) which allows for a half inch +/- shorter rifle and a couple oz. lighter weight. On the flip side, the .30-06 could be loaded to slightly faster velocities due to its increased powder capacity.
The difference between them is so little though as to be meaningless in the practical sense.
 
The main reason for the military switch from the -06 to the 308 was more compact ammo, meaning a soldier could carry more.

The 30-06 is actually a superior chambering, factory ammo for the 06 is under loaded to its actual potential because of the large amount of ancient firearms chambered in 30-06 that are unsafe to use with modern pressures, however if you ever intend on hand loading in the future, the 30-06 can and will outperform the 308 substantially.

I would always go for the 30-06 as a first rifle as the ammo selection is amazing, it is a perfect round for almost any normal hunting situation you will encounter for almost all North American big game, and it has great reloading potential.
 
In my safe you'll find more rifles chambered for the .308 Winchester (and a couple 7.62x51mm) than any and all other cartridges combined...I simply love the round! However, with that being said, the .30-06 is a much more versatile cartridge and that is the reason I always recommend it to someone that wants one rifle that can do it all. Despite what some might have you belive, it will handle all of North America's small, medium and big game and yes...even the big bears!!! Handloaded, it nips at the heels of the factory .300 Win Mag ammo and yet it can be down loaded (reduced) to .30 carbine ballistics as well. Factory ammo is commonly available from 125grs up to 220grs (the largest selection of any commercial round produced today), although custom loaded ammo with lighter or heavier bullets is available if you look around. The factory ammo is relatively cheap to buy compared to the magnum stuff, which means you pratice more which in turm means you become a better shot. There is absolutely no reason to get any other cartridge becasue it really can do it all and that is why the .30-06 is the #1 seller year after year!
 
if your a tad recoil shy a 30-06 might not be the most fun to start with. a 338 wm was my first , i did not enjoy that at all. then i built a 260 and learned how to shoot.

remeber accuracy is much better then brute force
 
Thank you very much everyone .. this thread is full of juicy freshly-squized information

I will take the 30-06 route and start "hunting" today for what brand/CO/model instead of what caliber...
 
There are a few points that have been brought up since I last posted that I would like to comment on.

The first is a the over-kill of a .375 bore rifle. The .375 in its various guises is designed for very big game, and it's bullets, at least the ones which weigh 270 grs or more, are designed for reliable expansion and deep penetration on heavy dense targets. When one of these bullets impacts a 100 pound game animal, like an impala in Tanzania, a black tail in the Queen Charlottes, or a speed goat in southern Alberta, the result is a bullet that exits after moderate expansion leaving a dollar sized exit, a sufficient, though not the excessive wound volume, common to the high velocity small bores, allowing one to "eat right up to the bullet hole." The versatility of the .375 loaded with a single bullet weight is simply unchallenged. By contrast, the versatility of a .30/06 or a .300 magnum is due to the selection of bullet styles and weights available in .308". While a big case .416 like the Rigby comes very close, it cannot do what the .375 does with the same level of recoil. I could comfortably fire 5 rounds from prone with full powered 350 gr loads in my .375 Ultra, but only 3 from the .416 Rigby loaded to drive a 350 at 2850. To get 5 Rigby rounds to stay on target was more than difficult, and I tended to have less finesse on the trigger after the first 3 if I couldn't/wouldn't take a break.

The next issue concerns the idea that one is able to take game with a .300 magnum that cannot be taken with a .30/06. The problem here is that the faster bullet from the .300 upon reaching the target is still the same bullet that leaves the muzzle of a .30/06. Thus the wound volume and and depth of penetration is essentially unchanged, the difference is that the .300 magnum can do it farther away. The funny thing is, at very close range, when loaded with similar bullets, the '06 might penetrate deeper than the .300 as the violence experienced by the bullet on impact is not as great, so expansion takes place over a longer period of time, so the result is a smaller frontal area that is less resistant to penetration, fir a greater period of time. Thus in some circumstances, the 06 might penetrate deeper and be a better killer on a bigger animal. The various .300 magnum cartridges are wonderful for stretching the range be it in the game fields or on the rifle range, but if you find yourself in a hunting scenario where the power of the .30/06 might be lacking, going bigger is preferable to going faster. Many move to the .338 or a .358, but my next step from .30 tends to be a .375, as bullet weights commonly available in the .338"s and .358"s are also available in .308". If someone wants to make an argument for a 9.3X62 a 286 gr bullet at 2400 fps doesn't leave much room for complaint amongst the enlightened. Neither is the .300 magnum the rifle for a once a year shooter/hunter. Some occasional shooters have trouble with full powered loads in a light weight .30/06 rifles. The only way to build up and maintain tolerance to powerful rifles is to shoot them frequently, and working the off season with an AR-15 doesn't do that.

So what is the difference between a .308 and a .30/06? The short answer is that there's not that much difference. Both will push a 150 gr bullet to 3000 fps from 24" barrels, and when Stuart Edward White made his foray to Africa a century ago, he did it armed with the then new .30/06 chambered in a custom 1903 Wundhammer 1903 Springfield loaded with FMJ 150 gr ammo loaded to the unheard of velocity of 2700 fps (that was the only load available) though he was able to work up some 220 gr loads some time later. This 150 gr load successfully accounted for dozens of head of game over several months in the hands of this phenomenal marksman, and he compared the performance favorably to the .405 Winchester. No game animal shot with the .30/06 was lost, thus began the storied prowess of one of the most successful game cartridges of all time. Since that time the performance of the cartridge has been improved due to advances in propellants and bullets, and the introduction of the .308 allowed this level of performance to be realized in a smaller handier rifle. Where the .308 has a disadvantage to the .30/06 is when bullets heavier than 180 grs are chosen, as the velocity possible with slow burning powders in the .30/06 are unavailable to the small powder capacity of the .308. Conversely, the advantage in trajectory a .300 magnum has over the .30/06 can only be exploited by a relatively few field marksmen; thus to my way of thinking, both he .308 and the .300 magnums take a back seat to the .30/06 as a big game hunting cartridge.
 
270 308 3006

Pick one and become familiar with it. 308 will have the cheapest ammo on average and all three are available in every gun shop in Canada with limitless choices in weight and bullet types.

I would not recommend a 300WM as a first centrefire rifle. Recoil will be a factor and you do not want to develop a flinch.
 
wow, there are a lot of good info.. but unfortunately from each side of the options i got.. struggle between 30-06, 270, 308 (i wont touch the 300wm unless something radically change in my life and go hunt bigger game).

About the 30-06, i see a lot of comment about easily availability of ammo.. i am not too worry about that, i wont go plinking with it beside range accuracy and distance practice so in a situation where im going to hunt.. i can shop local+online all around canada for ammo and have what i need for the time where im gonna need it. (side quest: i wonder how much 30/06, 270, 308 rounds do you carry on a weekend hunting trip)

To continue with the 30-06, 270, 308 struggle.. wiki taught me that the 30-06 Springfield was used for something like 50 years by the us army.. and these days, switched to 308. From that single argument .. there must be a good reason for the switch.. is it a world of difference.. probably not..but still.. there must be a good reason. If the .308 got less drop due to power.. i will go that way. (i change my caliber choice way too often, but would like to not regret my choice if its the only one i'll buy) Lets remove the easily availability of ammo from the equation.


The switch had nothing to do with the .308 being more powerful or having less drop. Actually, it's not quite as powerful and has MORE drop when using heavier bullets.
The switch had more to do with carrying more rounds of ammo for the same amount of weight on the soldier, and some political reasons, and some other reasons I won't pretend to understand.
The 30-06 and the .308 both shoot 30 caliber bullets. The .308 has a smaller case, and therefore holds less powder. BUt it is rated to a higher pressure, so faster burning powders can be used. When shooting 150 gr bullets, the two are identical. The both shoot the 150 gr 30 caliber bullets at the same velocity, so they will have the same ballistic drop. But when you get up to 180 gr bullets, the longer bullets take more powder space, and therefore a higher percentage of the powder space is stolen from the .308 case than the .30-06 case. So the 180 gr 30 caliber bullet can be sent out of the barrel at 2700 to 2800 fps from the 30-06, but can only be sent at 2500 to 2600 fps from the .308. This will cause more drop.

So don't buy a .308 over a 30-06 thinking that you're getting a more powerful cartridge that won't drop as much. That's not how it is. The biggest reason to buy a .308 over a 30-06 is... is... wait. There isn't one.



J/K. It's if you really want a short action to lose that 3 ounces off your rifle. And there is something to be said for that.
 
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