At $1500 a pop I would expect to have the very best customer support there is... Period.
HK45...want one? Epps has 5!!!
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At $1500 a pop I would expect to have the very best customer support there is... Period.
The support is there...when your ordering parts from HK Germany, where I get my parts...#### takes time. Ever ordered any gun parts from Europe? Please tell me how quickly/easily you got them? I have a German made gun...I want German made parts.
The thing with HK tho...is that the guns do not NEED much support...when do you hear about them breaking down? Next to never.
The thing with HK tho...is that the guns do not NEED much support...when do you hear about them breaking down? Next to never.
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For those that say HK has poor customer service, how many of you are speaking from personal experience? I've never had a problem with HK Germany of their Canadian representatives. Yes parts take a while to get, but if you know this why not order spares you think you may need ahead of time. For that matter how many of you have had a part fail?
If its over priced, don't buy HK. If you don't like the product after personal experience with it, don't buy HK. If you like something else, don't buy HK. It's the same argument every time. It's just as bad as talking about AR brands.
If its over priced, don't buy HK. If you don't like the product after personal experience with it, don't buy HK. If you like something else, don't buy HK. It's the same argument every time. It's just as bad as talking about AR brands.
Geeze, only 3 left now. I might just phone in an order tomorrow. Never owned anything HK before, kind of a 1911 fan myself. If I don't like it someone get's a price break on one in the EE.
How would the DA/SA trigger on the HK45 compare to the Sig DA/SA short reset trigger? Is the reset similar? How about the SA pull?
How would the DA/SA trigger on the HK45 compare to the Sig DA/SA short reset trigger? Is the reset similar? How about the SA pull?
SwL_Wildcat
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I have 3 H&K's 2 of which are 45's. Mags are easy, just order them out of the USofA. I ordered 1 lot of 10 mags a couple years ago, and 1 lot of 10 more last year. Just make sure they are indeed sending you the proper 10 round mags and it's a non-issue. Save your correspondance incase their shipping department goofs and accidently sends you 14 round glock mags or something. Then you have proof what you ordered was legal, and that it was a shipping error on their part.
Like Master-G said, The DA is stiff, the SA is a lot shorter on the Sig w/ SRT but for a polymer framed pistol, it's crisp and about 5 lbs. I also prefer Sig's DA and SA w/ SRT trigger pull.
Sig triggers are better I believe, but my USP has a nice break to it in SA. SRT on the 226 and the SA on my 220 are fantastic. I love my German 220 so much... one of the reasons why I decided not to buy another .45 pistol.
Only 1 left. Not surprised. Expensive but a popular piece.
Only 1 left. Not surprised. Expensive but a popular piece.
TheGamerXxX
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I got the last one
I got the last one
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I got the last one
Heh - I was just about to post an update saying they were all gone. Hope it shoots well for you.
Please see post # 40
Pretty active in a thread about a gun you do not like, has a too expensive recoil spring (that you looked up yourself)...and that has magazine prices that are a "deal breaker" for you. Maybe channel this energy into something more positive?
Best of luck finding ANY post with me saying i don't like the HK45.....in fact my friend, try and read all my posts in this thread if you are going to talk trash. Geez, your a little late to the party about the HK45 mags being in stock and you post this crap?? Really?
Feel free to read post # 56 and pay attention ( i'm typing slow for you) to the part that says if i had another 1600 in the bank, i would've bought one. And please have anther look on WHO posted about the expensive recoil spring.
Here endeth the lesson
I am not "late" about the mags...I saw them when they popped up on the first day...I am just late to share the info as I wanted to grab some for myself first! Kinda seems besides the point, was trying to share some helpful info for anyone looking for HK45 mags in country, as I was.
Did you not talk about mags being a deal breaker on getting THIS gun...you can afford/are okay with spending $1600 for the pistol but you cannot afford $85 dollar mags and there for would not get one?
Did you not talk about mags being a deal breaker on getting THIS gun...you can afford/are okay with spending $1600 for the pistol but you cannot afford $85 dollar mags and there for would not get one?
Found this on another forum
Why HK?
1. Most are designed, built and tested to NATO MIL specs (ACC-225), not commercial specs. NATO specs includes tests not conducted by many commercial makers such as drop tests, obstructed bore tests, extreme temps, ice, static sand, OTB, elevated/depressed, etc.
2. All (100%) of HK firearms are test fired and zeroed at the factory. In some companies only a % are tested.
3. HK materials (steel, barrel, etc.) are of the highest quality available and it shows in long-term or worst case scenarios. The superior barrel performance is a good example, though you may never see it in casual use.
4. HK pistols are not assembled by armorers’ students and then sold to customers. Some companies have been known to do so.
5. The average German worker is paid at a far higher rate than the equivalent US worker. Part of the reasons why includes the mandatory training they must receive and tests they must pass before receiving the position. The cost of living in Germany is also higher and HK contributes to a substantial “Pensioner Fund” for its retirees. Many also work at the same company for decades and not uncommon are 40 year employees!) and therefore rise high on the pay scale for their extensive hard-earned skill and experience.
6. HK barrels are made by a cold hammer forged process using a material that is unique to HK guns. Many barrels get special HK-unique steps added such as a tapered, poly, hybrid poly bore profile or induction hardening and all long-gun barrels are straightened. As an example, Stelite liners are not used in HK MG barrels – they are simply not needed and perform as well or better.
7. Compare the polymer molding and machining of say an HK P30 and a SIG P229. It is RARE to see machining marks on an HK.
8. HK rigorously tests their products to destruction in a "Firing Lab" manned with very senior test personnel before the design is frozen. This reduces the incidence of post-release issues. HK also takes and test its products at remote environmental test facilities to include desert (Yuma Proving Grounds, Saudi Arabia), arctic (Norway, Alaska), jungle (Brunei, Panama). That costs BIG bucks but pays off in hard core performance.
9. HK guns are imported for the most part (or the parts used to assemble them in NH) are imported. That results in mandatory FET, freight and exchange rate subsidies being added and passed on to the customer. HK as a German gun maker and importer they also have to comply with stringent export controls and that too costs money, which gets passed along in sale prices.
10. The cost of the production tooling (and materials) used by HK to produce, assemble and QA product is high as it includes QA tests and steps not conducted by many other makers. HK cut its teeth as a mass producer and still today builds the production tooling with that in mind –high volumes with a lot of automation. That tooling and gauging costs money as does the high hourly rates of the skilled workers and the additional time required to conduct it.
11. 10-20% of HK’s annual operating budget is spent on its extensive “Technique” departments to include Design, Prototype Fabrication and the Firing Lab. These are the highest paid, most skilled workers at HK and that costs money as well. They are best of breed and always have many more projects up in the air then you might think, or know of (Phased Plasma Rifle in the 80 watt Range).
12. HK places itself purposely in the “higher end” of the market. Like BMW and Mercedes HK knows it rates are higher and always will be compared to say Colt, S&W, Beretta, etc. So they go after superior performance and quality at a higher price point to fewer purchasers versus a cheaper, lower quality product to more buyers.
13. @ 15% of HK annual revenue is reinvested in new products, and infrastructure. While that may not seem like a lot it is and the state of the factory at in Oberndorf shows it. Look at the state of their competitors factories. There are few that compare to HK GmbH in the eyes of those who have been to many others. HK spends the revenue it makes off of both commercial and Government sales on new product so in a way the US commercial buyer who purchases an HK45 pistol helps fund the development of the MG4 LMG or XM25.
14. HK builds much of the weapon parts in house to maintain quality control. While cheaper subs are available one loses some control in doing so. HK’s goal has always been to minimize cost but maintain quality and to do so it keeps many items in house that in many others companies go to the higher bidder (magazines, small piece parts, etc.). HK also has some of the very best MIM and molding capabilities and can thus up the quality of their product by using their own, superior product.
15. Like HK, HK’s subs are of a higher quality for the same reasons and with the same end results. You buy the very best frame mold in Germany, it will cost you but the end product is superior.
16. Interchangeable parts – very few HK parts are not fully interchangeable without hand fitting. Even in a gun like the GMG, there are no parts that require hand fitting. This requires that each and every raw material and finished part, and each tool that fabricates the part, is dimensionally and exactly the same and maintained the same at all time by constant checks by skilled personnel with high dollar measuring devices and gauges. Again something you may never see but it insures when you replace a part it both fits and works w/o modifications.
17. HK has voluntarily developed, tested and included in their product unique features like USP firing mode modularity, MK23 barrel O-rings, special high performance finishes, unique G36/HK416 gas systems, drop-in LEM trigger systems, side-loading 40mm grenade launchers, GMG’s with extruded aluminum receivers and HK211’s with Ti receivers, unique cartridges for things like MP7 and P46, etc. HK also makes over 100 models of HK firearms currently and 1000’s of modular variants for users the world over speaking many languages, which costs money to build, inventory, document and record these countless production variations.
Why HK?
1. Most are designed, built and tested to NATO MIL specs (ACC-225), not commercial specs. NATO specs includes tests not conducted by many commercial makers such as drop tests, obstructed bore tests, extreme temps, ice, static sand, OTB, elevated/depressed, etc.
2. All (100%) of HK firearms are test fired and zeroed at the factory. In some companies only a % are tested.
3. HK materials (steel, barrel, etc.) are of the highest quality available and it shows in long-term or worst case scenarios. The superior barrel performance is a good example, though you may never see it in casual use.
4. HK pistols are not assembled by armorers’ students and then sold to customers. Some companies have been known to do so.
5. The average German worker is paid at a far higher rate than the equivalent US worker. Part of the reasons why includes the mandatory training they must receive and tests they must pass before receiving the position. The cost of living in Germany is also higher and HK contributes to a substantial “Pensioner Fund” for its retirees. Many also work at the same company for decades and not uncommon are 40 year employees!) and therefore rise high on the pay scale for their extensive hard-earned skill and experience.
6. HK barrels are made by a cold hammer forged process using a material that is unique to HK guns. Many barrels get special HK-unique steps added such as a tapered, poly, hybrid poly bore profile or induction hardening and all long-gun barrels are straightened. As an example, Stelite liners are not used in HK MG barrels – they are simply not needed and perform as well or better.
7. Compare the polymer molding and machining of say an HK P30 and a SIG P229. It is RARE to see machining marks on an HK.
8. HK rigorously tests their products to destruction in a "Firing Lab" manned with very senior test personnel before the design is frozen. This reduces the incidence of post-release issues. HK also takes and test its products at remote environmental test facilities to include desert (Yuma Proving Grounds, Saudi Arabia), arctic (Norway, Alaska), jungle (Brunei, Panama). That costs BIG bucks but pays off in hard core performance.
9. HK guns are imported for the most part (or the parts used to assemble them in NH) are imported. That results in mandatory FET, freight and exchange rate subsidies being added and passed on to the customer. HK as a German gun maker and importer they also have to comply with stringent export controls and that too costs money, which gets passed along in sale prices.
10. The cost of the production tooling (and materials) used by HK to produce, assemble and QA product is high as it includes QA tests and steps not conducted by many other makers. HK cut its teeth as a mass producer and still today builds the production tooling with that in mind –high volumes with a lot of automation. That tooling and gauging costs money as does the high hourly rates of the skilled workers and the additional time required to conduct it.
11. 10-20% of HK’s annual operating budget is spent on its extensive “Technique” departments to include Design, Prototype Fabrication and the Firing Lab. These are the highest paid, most skilled workers at HK and that costs money as well. They are best of breed and always have many more projects up in the air then you might think, or know of (Phased Plasma Rifle in the 80 watt Range).
12. HK places itself purposely in the “higher end” of the market. Like BMW and Mercedes HK knows it rates are higher and always will be compared to say Colt, S&W, Beretta, etc. So they go after superior performance and quality at a higher price point to fewer purchasers versus a cheaper, lower quality product to more buyers.
13. @ 15% of HK annual revenue is reinvested in new products, and infrastructure. While that may not seem like a lot it is and the state of the factory at in Oberndorf shows it. Look at the state of their competitors factories. There are few that compare to HK GmbH in the eyes of those who have been to many others. HK spends the revenue it makes off of both commercial and Government sales on new product so in a way the US commercial buyer who purchases an HK45 pistol helps fund the development of the MG4 LMG or XM25.
14. HK builds much of the weapon parts in house to maintain quality control. While cheaper subs are available one loses some control in doing so. HK’s goal has always been to minimize cost but maintain quality and to do so it keeps many items in house that in many others companies go to the higher bidder (magazines, small piece parts, etc.). HK also has some of the very best MIM and molding capabilities and can thus up the quality of their product by using their own, superior product.
15. Like HK, HK’s subs are of a higher quality for the same reasons and with the same end results. You buy the very best frame mold in Germany, it will cost you but the end product is superior.
16. Interchangeable parts – very few HK parts are not fully interchangeable without hand fitting. Even in a gun like the GMG, there are no parts that require hand fitting. This requires that each and every raw material and finished part, and each tool that fabricates the part, is dimensionally and exactly the same and maintained the same at all time by constant checks by skilled personnel with high dollar measuring devices and gauges. Again something you may never see but it insures when you replace a part it both fits and works w/o modifications.
17. HK has voluntarily developed, tested and included in their product unique features like USP firing mode modularity, MK23 barrel O-rings, special high performance finishes, unique G36/HK416 gas systems, drop-in LEM trigger systems, side-loading 40mm grenade launchers, GMG’s with extruded aluminum receivers and HK211’s with Ti receivers, unique cartridges for things like MP7 and P46, etc. HK also makes over 100 models of HK firearms currently and 1000’s of modular variants for users the world over speaking many languages, which costs money to build, inventory, document and record these countless production variations.
