I want a k31! what do I need to know?

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I'm done with plastic rifles costing $1000 and capable of 0.1 MOA.
I'm done with cheese grater modern rifles that eat those little .224 caliber rounds that drain my $ and eat my hands.
I think the milsurp addiction has finally taken a full hold. (thanks to tradex and CGN)

So now I'm after a k31. The straight pull bolt has my attention like no other.
They don't seem to be as commonly owned as the mosins, enfields, sks, etc.

I've been over to swissrifles and searched a little bit.

What should I look for in a k31? either buying online or at a gunshow. Are there favorable years, etc.?

I'm set up to reload: any tips,tricks, special considerations for them?
 
In a shooter, look for a matching bolt and a clean, crisp bore. If you want collectibility, look for a walnut stock without refurb cartouches on the rear tang or left side fo the stock and with the Swiss shield cartouche clear and unsanded o nthe right side of the butt. Matching numbers on the bolt, mag and receiver. The wood is serialized as well, but you won;t be able to check that without removing the stock.
 
Pre-1944 are USUALLY walnut. Post 1944 are USUALLY beech. But there was a time of overlapping as stocks of walnut ran out.

Be aware that you will also find beech on pre-44 guns as they may have been arsenal-refurbed post that time. Generally speaking, there are no good and bad years, althoguh the level of chrome in the action took a bit of a dip during WW2 - this was put right pretty quickly, however.

Be awaere that the Swiss did NOT use Cosmoline as a preservative - all they ever used was a yellowy grease called 'Waffenfett' for cleaning [yes, really] absolutely everything on the gun - bore, metalwork and wood. After the gun was shot and while still warm a greased-up patch was pushed through the bore until it came out clean, then one more pass with fresh grease, and that was it. Prior to shooting aghain, push a few patches through the bore to prevent the 'grey cloud syndrome' that will mark you as a noob, and you are good to go.

Carlos, here, has put a video on Youtube to show how to tear down the bolt assembly - watch it carefully and then do it.

There are a number of go-faster accessories for the K31 - a clamp-on or thread on muzzlebrake or a barrel damper, a no-drill bipod, and various sight upgrades - all from Swiss Products in Montana.

Oh yes, joining us over on swissrifles.com was a great idea.

tac
www.swissrifles.com
 
Reloading for the 7.5mm Swiss is a labour of love, they're quite [make that: extremely] sensitive to OAL depending on the ogive you're using for bullets. They might load fine in the mag and you'll be able to close the bolt on one without any apparent problem, but then: click, no bang! The bolt has an effective interrupter system that wont allow the firing pin to contact the primer without being in perfect battery. They generally don't do well with neck sizing like most other bolt rifles so you'll have to full-length size. Milspec brass like Prvi is your friend. But once you dial-in a load: you'll be rewarded with some awesome sweet-Jesus accuracy!!! In my humble opinion, if I were to do it again, I would skip reloading on this one and invest in a couple of those 480 packs of GP-11 which is, effectively, match-grade ammo. But that's just me...
 
There are a number of go-faster accessories for the K31 - a clamp-on or thread on muzzlebrake or a barrel damper, a no-drill bipod, and various sight upgrades - all from Swiss Products in Montana.

Oh yes, joining us over on swissrifles.com was a great idea.

tac
www.swissrifles.com

haha NO! no go faster! just straight swiss goodness! :)

I'm not sure finding swissrifles was good or not :) my wallet cries.

Thanks for the tips! I think the rifle will be right at home with my garand.
 
Great advice from all those knowledgeable members here.
One thing not mentioned yet, but nevertheless extremely important
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They are addictive!!!!
 
FL sizing a must.
Be sure that Press "cams over" completely, no space between shell holder and die.
Use very good case lube.
Prvi cases can be hard. Might have to anneal first.
Test fit re-sized cases into your chamber to make sure the serial number on the bolt is vertical, that allows firing pin to make a good hit on the primer.
Then test empty, properly re-sized case with the same bullet you want to use into the chamber to make sure O.A.L. is not too long and interfere with the bolt completely closing into battery. Do it for every different bullet you want to shoot in it.
 
Carlos speaks with the voice of many years experience, much oif it in competition circumstances. I, too, have been shooting Swiss schtuff, since the middle 1970's, but only reloading in the last year after the milsurp stuff hit $1 a bang here in yUK.

Let me add to Carlo's sage advice -

1. Case lube - Imperial Sizing Wax - a small tin will last you most of the rest of your llife - I reload seven different cartridges - maybe a hundred to hundred fifty a month, and a tin of the stuff lasts me about five years.

2. Remember that the GP11 bullet has a very specific ogive, and the K31 chamber is cut very precisely to accommodate it. Many after-market bullets will have a different shape in this vital area, and you'll need to replicate the original as far as possible, ensuring that the handload does not jam into the leade, raising pressure to an unacceptable level. If you don't have a Stoney Point chamber gauge, you can make an acceptable substitute and save many $$$$ like tthis....

3. Take a new cartridge case, full-length size it, then carefully, using a fine disc in a Dremel or similar, cut three or four slots vertically in the neck to take the bullet of your choice in a loose fit. Being a tightwad, I shoot the economy PPU 175gr bullets - near enough for my kind of shooting, but you might want to shoot Berger - your choice. Place the bullet loosely into the case neck - well proud of the correct length, so that chambering it and closing the bolt will push the bullet back into the case. Carefully insert the cartridge into the breech, and close the action gently but fully - remember - 12 o'clock = lock with the position of the serial number. Then smartly eject it into your hand.

4. Carefully measure the OAL of the cartridge, and subtract between 0.005" and 0.010 and use it to set your bullet seating die - the bullet will now be short of the lands in YOUR rifle. No other bullet will have precisely the same OAL. Remember, too, that this is OAL reduction measurement is not carved in stone - the 'sweet' spot will be there by trial and error. My K31 likes these particular bullets to be set 0.012" off the lands, but yours might be different.

THIS comes from the swissrifles.com site, courtesy of parashooter - one of the permanent live-in experts on all things connected with Swiss longarms -

When setting up a resizing die, one of the essential measuring tools is your rifle. Try a sized case in the chamber, with the striker on "half-safe" position (45 degrees) to take the mainspring out of the equation. If the bolt won't cam shut fairly easily (serial at 12:00), you need to screw your die in a little more and try again. Then try it with another case or two just to make sure everything is repeatable.

5. As a look at the tables Carlos has provided on the swissrifles.com site will readily show you - there are literally hundreds of powder/bullet combinations to play with, and powder selection is not overly critical - it if works well in a .308Win, then it will probably work just as well in the 7.5x55.

Basically, the GP11 cartridge has almost the same oomph as the .30-06 with the felt recoil of the .303 British. Not surprising, as the same man was responsible for the development of both cartridges. The British favoured a rimmed version and a more tapered case to aid extraction, and the Swiss did not. As it happens, the British Empire might just have adopted the Swiss-designed cartridge in the first place, and saved a load of expense down the line by not needing 'bendy' magazines for the BREN and having a much faster-firing HMG as well...

There is no doubt in my mind that the military issue GP11 in its standard format is the best military cartridge ever made anywhere. Trying to copy it will give you many pleasurable hours of shoulder thumping fun.

tac
 
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What to look for? check the bore as you would with any milsurp. You never know where it's been before you saw it on the rack or how well it was taken care of.
You do NOT want one that has been "SPORTYIZED"
Generaly Swiss rifles are in excellent condition.
Have both the K11 (long barrel)
And K31's
Usually either rifle will shoot more accurately than you can hold it.

You already have heard enough about reloading

One last thing, the chargers are bakelite with metal ends. While supposedely single use, they hold up quite well and can be used over and over. I would suggest trying to get a few as well
 
Usually the k31 have a beat up stock but other then that they are in great condition so you pretty much just need to find one with a stock you like walnut/beech, beat up or slightly worn. If your wanting a nicer stock and not planing on shooting flies off fence posts at 200 m you then a k11 might be right for you (I'm not saying they not as accurate but according to the Swiss they aren't, they both will out shoot 99.9% of us so it don't matter really) they generally have nicer stocks since they are older they deserved new ones, also they supposedly have a smother action. Finally if you don't mind a longer barrel then the 96/11 or the 1911 long rifle(not to be mistaken as the k11) usually have nice stocks and are in good condition also and are arguably just as or more accurate the the k31.

You really can't go wrong they are awesome sub moa rifles that go for less then 400$. Have fun shoping. :)

P.s is the date on the stocks under the but plate? because mine is marked 11 47 would that mean November 1947 it seems to be walnut and that's what tradeex had it marked down as.
 
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Very accurate, heavy, and recoil was unpleasant to me. Not sure why the recoil bothered me, maybe the stock is the wrong shape for me, I shoot both the steyr m95 and mosin m44 in perfect comfort which many complain about. I do think about buying another one or a k11 so go figure.
 
If you're going to reload... get one of those RCBS decapping tool... You'll than be able to easily reload your GP11 brass.


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Very accurate, heavy, and recoil was unpleasant to me. Not sure why the recoil bothered me, maybe the stock is the wrong shape for me, I shoot both the steyr m95 and mosin m44 in perfect comfort which many complain about. I do think about buying another one or a k11 so go figure.

Try out the Swiss Products Clamp-on Muzzle brake.
Brings the recoil down to at least 7x57 levels.
Maybe even 6.5x55.
 
P.s is the date on the stocks under the but plate? because mine is marked 11 47 would that mean November 1947 it seems to be walnut and that's what tradeex had it marked down as.

Stock dates are when stock was turned. usually put away for at least a year to dry before being mated to a rifle.

Some walnut stocks and blanks were "found" after 1945 and then used up as the need arose.
Still true the the great majority after 1945 were beech instead of walnut but there are exceptions and of course refubs.
What year range is your Serial # in?
 
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They are addictive!!!!


I haven't found a single milsurp that wasn't! I have no expectations in terms of accuracy and never had a bad time shooting them.

I find the bolt on the swiss rifles fascinating.

Some great information here about reloading and the rifles in general.

Thanks Guys.
Hopefully I will be able to post a picture very, very soon. (local gun show oct 27! If not there, tradex here I come)
 
Nothing new.
Swiss rifle owners have been using .284Win brass for many years to make 7.5x55 boxer brass before cheap ready made boxer brass was available.
Bob S on the Swiss Rifles Message Boards forum was doing it since the 1970.s

Just think of the 7.5x55 as the THE original .30-.284 Wildcat cartridge from 1890, revised in 1911 with the first(?) VLD bullet and again in 1931.

Just needs FL resizing in the 7.5x55 dies.
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I've used it, along with Prvi 7.5x55 and reloaded GP11 with RWS Berdan Primers.

Some K31 have a slight problem catching the rim on the .284 case, so some extractor bending may be in order for trouble free extraction.
 
The reason K31's have beat up stocks in the area around the buttplate is swiss mountain boots not only have studs on the bottom but ALSO on the sides!
Another reason, when you iss out in der snow und you vants to take a break, you sticks your rifle butt down in der snow!:)

Oh by the way, new unprimed boxer style brass is available from a couple of the big gun parts dealers
 
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