What was the issue with the original NEA15s?
- Thread starter hdave
- Start date
the user acct NEA, or dmcfaul?
The way it looked to me was people were using this site as the warrenty center. The bad publicty wasn't worth promoting it here anymore.
Problems included but were no limited to;
Rifles going FA due to bad trigger parts
rifles not firing due to bad trigger parts
out of spec rails
unstaked and or loose gas keys
horrible finishes on upper recivers with deep marks from a carbide cutter being touched off
At least one gas key with huge nasty marks from a grinder
misaligned gas tubes
loose gas blocks
out of spec sling plates that interfered (or prevented) cocking the rifle.
rifles sent out with finish not applied to all areas.
most importantly Lying, shilling and general dishonesty.
the deletion of threads that were critical of the product.
Basically NEA proved to be people that you can't trust to make a good product.
Rifles going FA due to bad trigger parts
rifles not firing due to bad trigger parts
out of spec rails
unstaked and or loose gas keys
horrible finishes on upper recivers with deep marks from a carbide cutter being touched off
At least one gas key with huge nasty marks from a grinder
misaligned gas tubes
loose gas blocks
out of spec sling plates that interfered (or prevented) cocking the rifle.
rifles sent out with finish not applied to all areas.
most importantly Lying, shilling and general dishonesty.
the deletion of threads that were critical of the product.
Basically NEA proved to be people that you can't trust to make a good product.
Runningfool
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
You forgot: caused global warming, slept with your sister, kicked your puppy.
All the problems mentioned by mG4201 did happen. We all wanted NEA to have a great AR at a very reasonable price. The original threads were nothing but praise and high hopes for the product. The problem was there were far to many problems and too many claims that it was now new and improved yet new problems continued to surface and not just the odd case either.
The usual argument is oh it has a great warranty or customer service!! Anyone who has bought a new product and had to use either the warranty or customer service on a brand new product I'm sure will agree with me that it's a huge disapointment and pain in the a$$.
I will give them credit that they were fixing the rifles and changing their product after ongoing CGN beta testing. That was a positive for them as it showed they were improving. The problem is who wants to be a beta tester or early adopter of a product that wasn't really ready for comercial sales?
That being said with NEA and Norinco along with other low priced AR rifles the prices of high end AR rifles have come down significantly. I do appreciate that. But buying a NEA rifle is too much of a gamble and resale is crap. The only reason to buy these rifles is to abuse the hell out of them with cheap garbage ammo and no worries if they end up as garbage later on. Think of them as disposable AR rifles in order to keep the wear and tear off your good stuff.
The realy sad part about this is they could have really had a winner product. Even if they made the lower and uppers out of standard milspec class aluminum with a decent finish they would have sold a ton of these for builds. There were a lot of mistakes made in terms of business decisions.
Standard specs and a good finish would have been an instant success. Heck Id be buying a couple lowers right now. At least then the parts would show up in high end builds and the anti NEA threads wouldn't be a common occurance. Unfortunately the anti NEA sentiment is well deserved. I won't buy one and I was at the front of the line to support this product. I guess we should count our blessings that they were so busy filling their "over seas" orders.
Global warming is mostly a myth, I don't have a sister, Nor do I currently have a dog. The OP asked specifically what was wrong with the NEA15's. What I posted was a list of those issues to the best of my memory. Blame NEA for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Runningfool
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
I know those things happened, I was just ribbing mg4201 because of his closing statement that NEA are people you cannot trust to make a good product - surely NEA must have done the things I've mentioned to garner such dedicated slamming from someone who hasn't even owned let alone shot one!
Your comment wrt spec materials for the upper and lower are moot IMO but if they matter to you as an end user then I respect that even if I don't understand the significance. As far as them not having a decent finish, it makes me wonder what you are basing this opinion on? Some dodgy ones got out and pics were posted, but surely you don't take those as being the norm? "Decent" is a pretty subjective term but of the dozens of people I have let handle and shoot my rifle, not one has mentioned the finish. Now maybe they are just being polite but I don't think so...I shoot with a bunch of real arseholes!
I don't believe he was being serious.
That or my comic-relief / sarcastic / smarta$$ meter isn't working properly.
Runningfool
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
It's working juuuuuust fine.
I think the shilling really pissed a lot of people off. They brought a product to market that wasnt quite ready with defective parts/assembly/finish issues
Im sure they have their stuff sorted out now, but it left a bad taste behind
Im sure they have their stuff sorted out now, but it left a bad taste behind
Max Owner
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Thing to keep in mind was they wanted (and so did everyone else) to bring a $1,000 AR to the market that was Canadian made.
And they did.
There were bugs to be worked out. NEA seems to have stood behind their product. And now I believe that they now have the bugs worked out. So this is why I will get one in the near future.
And they did.
There were bugs to be worked out. NEA seems to have stood behind their product. And now I believe that they now have the bugs worked out. So this is why I will get one in the near future.
I know those things happened, I was just ribbing mg4201 because of his closing statement that NEA are people you cannot trust to make a good product - surely NEA must have done the things I've mentioned to garner such dedicated slamming from someone who hasn't even owned let alone shot one!
Well let's be frank about this. Why would you buy one? I kept my eye on this since they first announced it. I can understand those who got the first few and later those who believed all the issues were fixed buying one. But when the reality was known to buy one was a poor purchase unless looking for a clunker to work on and trash.
Your comment wrt spec materials for the upper and lower are moot IMO but if they matter to you as an end user then I respect that even if I don't understand the significance. As far as them not having a decent finish, it makes me wonder what you are basing this opinion on? Some dodgy ones got out and pics were posted, but surely you don't take those as being the norm? "Decent" is a pretty subjective term but of the dozens of people I have let handle and shoot my rifle, not one has mentioned the finish. Now maybe they are just being polite but I don't think so...I shoot with a bunch of real arseholes!
The specs on my DPMS LR308 are less as well. It works fine but it's not to spec and frankly neither is the rest of the rifle. When you lower the base specs it's a sign that the goals are it works fine so it's good enough. In a market where specs often are the only things separating a consumer product from a military grade one it was short sighted. How many other short cuts have been made?
As for the finish they changed their process because there were enough complaints about it. The really bad ones were claimed to be old stock that somehow slipped into the stores. Those weren't acceptable even for the old ones. Now that being said I have seen a few pics of lowers that weren't bad but you could still see tool marks. They need to get that taken care of, if they haven't already. Once again they overlooked this as acceptable when for many it isn't. The Norc threads should have told them that.
I know those things happened, I was just ribbing mg4201 because of his closing statement that NEA are people you cannot trust to make a good product - surely NEA must have done the things I've mentioned to garner such dedicated slamming from someone who hasn't even owned let alone shot one!
Your comment wrt spec materials for the upper and lower are moot IMO but if they matter to you as an end user then I respect that even if I don't understand the significance. As far as them not having a decent finish, it makes me wonder what you are basing this opinion on? Some dodgy ones got out and pics were posted, but surely you don't take those as being the norm? "Decent" is a pretty subjective term but of the dozens of people I have let handle and shoot my rifle, not one has mentioned the finish. Now maybe they are just being polite but I don't think so...I shoot with a bunch of real arseholes!
I think it's funny that you NEA fanboys all come back to the same argument; "you don't even own one". No, of course I don't own one, I have no confidence in the company, and I don't buy products from companies that lack integrity and honesty. I have never had the clap, but I know enough to not want to try that either.
