Scopes for heavy kickers

I won't tell you what to buy as there are good recommendations here already, I use a Diavari 1.5-6 on my 375 and love it, will never change it. I have used a lot of low variable Leups on 416s, 458s and 450 Ack and never had a failure. The one to stay away from is Swarovsky, they will not warranty a scope mounted on anything larger than a 338. My buddy found this out the hard way on a 416 Rem. Their literature even said this in the extra fine print, which none of us read when buying a $1200 scope and we just assume the warranty is all inclusive.
 
c-fbmi said:
The one to stay away from is Swarovsky, they will not warranty a scope mounted on anything larger than a 338. My buddy found this out the hard way on a 416 Rem. Their literature even said this in the extra fine print, which none of us read when buying a $1200 scope and we just assume the warranty is all inclusive.
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Hi Doug, how about fixed power Swarovsky? I have been looking at one at EE, but I have not acted after reading your post "bad mouthing" Swaro a few weeks ago. I like to have a top end glass which I think Swaro has. But if fixed power scope can take hit, I might take the risk to buy one.
 
My apologies to the OP for hijacking the thread a bit earlier.
I cannot imagine a problem with a low, fixed power offering from Leupold or
a couple of other reputable manufacturers.
There is NO question that variables have a bit of fragility not noted in fixed power units.
That being said, the incidence of failure in quality variables is amazingly low.
Regards, Eagleye.
 
elker said:
Hi Doug, how about fixed power Swarovsky? I have been looking at one at EE, but I have not acted after reading your post "bad mouthing" Swaro a few weeks ago. I like to have a top end glass which I think Swaro has. But if fixed power scope can take hit, I might take the risk to buy one.
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I really can't say as I have only that one incident to go on, but it was enough to turn me off the company altogether. I can tell you that for the same money you can buy 2 Leupolds or a Zeiss which is my preference and get lifetime warranty regardless of caliber it's mated to. I have personally never owned one nor will I ever, after what happened to my friend. What really chocked me up about it all, was that he was just squeaking by and saved for a long time for his dream set-up. His 700 Rem in 416 Rem topped with a Swarovsky, only to have it fail and be out $1200 in the first month he owned it. He was truly devastated when he heard back from Swarovsky that there was no warranty. In my opinion any company that won't stand by it's product is not worth dealing with, period.
 
c-fbmi said:
I can tell you that for the same money you can buy 2 Leupolds or a Zeiss .

In my opinion any company that won't stand by it's product is not worth dealing with, period.
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elker said:
But how can we solve the problem that at low magnification (in this case, even your maximum magnificaton of 5 is low), it is very difficult to aim at paper target of 200 yards away, it is simply not clear enough. To shoot something of 4 hundreds yard away is even more difficult for eyes.
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elker, have you tried using a low powered scope on big game at long range? It is actually pretty easy, and not at all like shooting paper. I used a Leupold 3x for years on my old Husqvarna featherweight 270 Win mountain rifle, and never had a moments problem on sheep or caribou. At the same time, I was often very pleased when something popped up at ten yards when I was busting brush on the way back down. :)

My father-in-law used that same outfit to bag a huge dall ram at well over 300 yd with a single shot. I well remember him saying that his tired 72 year old eyes never even noticed it was only three power when he was trying the rifle out at the range before we went hunting.

If you would like to try one out, I will be glad to put one in the mail to you, and you can send it back when you are finished. We would only ask that you post your observations here afterwards.

Ted
 
Thank you Ted. I appreciate your offer although I would not bother you to mail that one to me as I have another old Leupold scope(M8 4X) on my 9.3x62. I have shot 3 black bears so far with the 9.3, ranges were 25 yards, 40 yards, 70 yards. Yes, I know I don't have problem shoot animals at longer distance. My trouble was practice at range. I could not see the target dot as clear as I want. I had to guess the dot and shoot. I will use bigger sticker next time to see what happens.

I think I would take this post to thank you for your promotion of 9.3x62. Tradeexcanada should give you some commission as I believe many others might have bought their 9.3 after reading your posts about this caliber. I love this caliber, have rolled about 100 TSX 286 grains, so I have enough ammo to kill big or small game animals.
 
elker said:
I think I would take this post to thank you for your promotion of 9.3x62. Tradeexcanada should give you some commission as I believe many others might have bought their 9.3 after reading your posts about this caliber. I love this caliber, have rolled about 100 TSX 286 grains, so I have enough ammo to kill big or small game animals.
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I'd be interested to hear what velocity you got out of the TSX's in your 9.3x62. Mine wouldn't barely push them over 2000 fps. I abandoned them in favour of Norma 286 RNs (thanks Ted) and got the 2350 that I was looking for. I just couldn't cram enough powder behind the TSX in that case to get the speed up.
 
I have the same concern as you,BUM. My load is IMR4320, 50.5 grain powder. In the loading book, it is 2163fps at powder charge of 51.5 grain. So my muzzle velocity is 2050-2100 fps. And my complain is the bullets drop about 9 inches at 200 yards when I zero at 100 yards. I had blamed my scope for not be able to clearly show the red dot on target. I had to guess and shoot. I do have a plan to buy a cz 550 fs 9.3x62, use 250 tsx or ttsx or light bullets if they are available. In that way, I have more velocity and flatter shooting. But I don't want use any lead bullet for game animals as I want to keep every bit of meat.

On the other hand, the lower velocity is not a problem at close range. I shot this bear(2 to 3 years old, I guess) with that said bullet. It entered from right front shoulder, traveled diagonally through body, exit from left hind leg. The pic shows the exit wound. The bears ran 30 yard and done.

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Elker,

Sight in your rifle two inches high at 100, and the drop will only be five inches at 200. Problem solved!

Use a dead on hold on any big game animal out to 200, and then start sharpening the knives. :)

I have never held over on any animal I have killed with a 9.3x62 using any bullet weight, however have never shot at anything beyond 250 yd.

Ted
 
Mine has no scope so others solves the bullet problem quite nicely. Zeroed around 100 yards, sights on ribcage and pull the trigger.

Though, to be fair, my knives would already be sharp. Time to start dulling them!:D
 
Cleftwynd said:
I bought one off gunrunner100 and it has been a terribly reliable scope! I don't care for the heavy duplex it has, but if I was using it on dangerous game I would!
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Good choice.
I have 5 of these although in Duplex on.
45-70 GG
444P
Browning BAR .308
Rem 600 .308
rem 760 carbine in .30-06
and i just set Leupold VX-R 1.5-4 illuminated A4 on a BLR .358
Also like the VX II 1-4 that sits on a GOLDHUNTER SLUGGUN.
Not all heavy hitters but the vxIII 1.5-5x20 would go great even on a 458 win mag.

happy hunting!
 
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