By far the best solution !
Scopes for heavy kickers
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By far the best solution !
What I have mounted on a few of my heavier kickers are;
On my Marlin 444S, in 444 Marlin, a 1.5x4.5 Bushnell Scope Chief VI.
On my Marlin 1895GS, in 45-70, a 1x4 Leupold Vari-X II.
And on my Winchester Model 70 Super Express in 458WM, a 1x4 Leupold Vari-X II.
All three utilize Weaver pivot mounts.
Sweet medallion.
Personally for a rifle with serious recoil I always look to the fixed power scopes made by a reputeable manufacturer, I like dependability. I also agree that the intended use of the rifle dictates the sighting options such as magnification, eye relief, versatility, etc.... for myself, price comes after function but before aesthetics.
J.B. of 24hourscampfire said that if a scope of variable powers is less than 1000 dollars, it basically can not withstand the heavy recoil. it will fail one time or another. I take it pretty seriously. That is why I am currently focused only on fixed power. Maybe I am just too cautious, 9.3x62 is not a heavy recoil caliber by some standards.
I have absolutely nothing against fixed power scopes as I have probably a couple dozen of assorted brands, but I have yet to have a variable fail on account of heavy recoil regardless of cost.
My variables have been on 458s, a 404, several 375s, 9.3s and many lesser but hard -kicking guns without a hitch...
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I would like to see that quote as well.
I tried to use search function there but it asked my to log in. When I tried to register, it shows : This Display Name is already in use. Please choose a different Display Name. , no matter how I changed the username, it just did not let me go.
I know you are a registered member there, maybe you can use "Mule Deer" profile to find his posts in the past month (in hunting optics forum I believe). It was about fixed power scope posted by another member, he joined in that discussion. He said he only had had 3 fixed power scopes failed, mostly his fault of over tightening the screws. He also said he can use fixed power 6 to shoot till 400 yards. He also gave the $1000 figure for lowest price of variable power scopes to be reliable. etc.
Man, I can only use google to search, is campfire not allowing new registration now?
I just put together a 22" barreled T/C Prohunter in 375H&H had it to the range for the first time this afternoon the total weight of the rifle including scope/rings/base/sling is 7.5lbs.
I installed a Leupold VX3 2.5-8X36mm Boone & Crockett reticle on low rings.
I also have a 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM I set it up to run XS Sights backup ghost ring sights for defense use and I install a VX3 4.5-14X40mm B&C reticle scope with quick detachable rings when I use the rifle for hunting out to 500 + yards.
I installed a Leupold VX3 2.5-8X36mm Boone & Crockett reticle on low rings.
I also have a 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM I set it up to run XS Sights backup ghost ring sights for defense use and I install a VX3 4.5-14X40mm B&C reticle scope with quick detachable rings when I use the rifle for hunting out to 500 + yards.
he had some high priced optics that failed too so i would like to see that quote ....
Its nearly imossible to get "mule deer" to say anything bad about Leupold, Remington or Nosler partitions. I'd like to see where he says you can't run a consideraby under $1000 loopy variable on a heavy kicker.
Come to think of it, its hard to get a gun writer to bad mouth anything.
Come to think of it, its hard to get a gun writer to bad mouth anything.
I have yet to know how to register at campfire. I spent a few hours in my cold computer room since supercub asked for quote. I can vividly remember what j.b. said, but nothing helps if I can not find it and copy paste to here.
that forum won't let outsider use search function. I might go to j.b. personal website to ask him for the post. but he might just ignore me
that forum won't let outsider use search function. I might go to j.b. personal website to ask him for the post. but he might just ignore me
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Ok, I logged in. The following are the quotes from Mule Deer. And most importantly, I did not lie.
Formidilosus,
Good post.
However, I've noticed most hunters refuse to pay much over $500 for a variable scope, and I have yet to find any variabls costing less than $1000 consistently reliable on rifles kicking harder than the .30-06.
Some sub-$1000 variables last forever. Some don't. It's a crap shoot.
As somebody already pointed out, if they're going to die it's usually early, within the first 50 rounds. Which is why I mostly run fixed-powers on big game rifles.
Some people don't believe fixed scopes are "versatile" enough, buit I've killed running game at 10 yards and stauonary game at 450-500 with 6x scopes. And if you intend to shoot only at longer ranges a fixed 10x works great, and there are some really good ones out there.
I don't recall all the model details, but I've owned at least three Bushnell and B&L Elites that went south. All were variables from 2-7x to 2.5-10x. Didn't fire any of the numerous Elites above that magnification range on rifles that kicked more than a .243.
That said, my experience with Elites is mostly positive, just as it is with Burris variables, as well as Leopolds, Nikons, etc. etc. But I have damned well had my fill of variables of any brand under $1000 crapping out. They don't do it often, but more than once is often enough. I've lost count of all the failures.
In the same period (say the last 25 years) I've had 3 failures in fixed powers of all makes, all broken reticles, two of which were my fault due to over-tightening scope rings. The third still remained sighted-in.
Whole original posts are here:
http://24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/6984223/3
Formidilosus,
Good post.
However, I've noticed most hunters refuse to pay much over $500 for a variable scope, and I have yet to find any variabls costing less than $1000 consistently reliable on rifles kicking harder than the .30-06.
Some sub-$1000 variables last forever. Some don't. It's a crap shoot.
As somebody already pointed out, if they're going to die it's usually early, within the first 50 rounds. Which is why I mostly run fixed-powers on big game rifles.
Some people don't believe fixed scopes are "versatile" enough, buit I've killed running game at 10 yards and stauonary game at 450-500 with 6x scopes. And if you intend to shoot only at longer ranges a fixed 10x works great, and there are some really good ones out there.
I don't recall all the model details, but I've owned at least three Bushnell and B&L Elites that went south. All were variables from 2-7x to 2.5-10x. Didn't fire any of the numerous Elites above that magnification range on rifles that kicked more than a .243.
That said, my experience with Elites is mostly positive, just as it is with Burris variables, as well as Leopolds, Nikons, etc. etc. But I have damned well had my fill of variables of any brand under $1000 crapping out. They don't do it often, but more than once is often enough. I've lost count of all the failures.
In the same period (say the last 25 years) I've had 3 failures in fixed powers of all makes, all broken reticles, two of which were my fault due to over-tightening scope rings. The third still remained sighted-in.
Whole original posts are here:
http://24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/6984223/3
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I apologize, but was not insinuating that you were lying. I just wanted to read the text.
There have been a lot of folks who have had very good luck with Leupolds on big bore rifles. The Leupold 1.5x5 is pretty much THE classic scope for heavy recoil. I'm not sure I've heard of anyone breaking one on anything up to a 416Rigby or larger. My own experience tops out at 375cal, so cannot speak personally. I do notice that JB does not mention Leupolds in his list of scope failures. Mostly Bushnells.
If you are not certain of which you speak, it is better to say nothing.
There is a saying out there for your benefit, elker. It goes like this.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
If it was once only, it can be overlooked, but after several nonsense statements......??
You are one of the few that has now made my ignore list.
Eagleye.
Don't you think you are making nonsense indeed? instead of sharing your experience about Scopes for heavy kicker,you keep making nonsense by telling how you feel about me.
you are contradicting your self.
Heavy kickers require reliable field proven optics, stick with what works. Just look at what you see mounted on large bore, large case rifles that actually get used for what they were designed for.
As for the two bickering, take it to PM's!
As for the two bickering, take it to PM's!
