New Aboriginal Hunting and Fishing Rights?

Miles Teg said:
Last i heard it was in thier traditional territories only. Its been going on for years, if you don't like it look away, all your #####ing will not change it. There are many bigger and more worthwhile issues out there.
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"Traditional territories" is what people seem to get hung up on. What exactly were a particular Bands' traditional territories? I can guarantee it wasn't their designated Reserve. Tribes/Bands were migratory dependant upon seasons and hunting/fishing grounds. Remember now, this was before they were shown the proper way to live and given a piece of land to call their own, by a Government that didn't even own the land it was giving away. Thats a whole other issue though, I'll try to stay on track here. Now whose to say that a bands' traditional territories didn't cross provincial lines? Back before the White Man came there were no such boundaries.
 
Dusty23 said:
Folks I agree with a lot of the points made here, and I am Native. However, there are individuals who are Non-Native as well as Native that abuse hunting and fishing regulations and/or rights. If by abuse of rights you mean taking an animal for monetary gain, then yes I agree with the term abuse! If by abuse you mean the taking of an animal(s) for personal use(ie. to feed ones family), whether in season or out of season then I disagree.
In these parts I have seen poachers have a way more negative impact on the local moose population than Natives. I do not know of any Natives that actually hunt in the area where I hunt, but every year I seem to find a few dead moose left on the side of dirt roads. One this season was actually left right on a road with its legs/shoulders hacked off. So in my experience, I see way more Non-Natives abusing the system.
I have also known a handful of Natives over the years who do abuse our rights. These type of individuals p*ss me off because it looks bad on the rest of us.
My point here is that it's not right to paint everybody with the same brush based on the actions of a few.

Whether or not it is fair that Natives have more privileges is not for you or I to decide. That was whole point of signing treaties years ago. To set standards as to what would be acceptable to both sides.
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Interesting read Dusty. I have seen and experienced most of what you describe here. Mostly from "Natives" though. ( I don't consider that to be a proper term. I'm white. I was born here and am therefore native to this land. Just like darker skinned folks. That's a whole other topic though.) I've seen a truck pull up to my buddies garage (he's a butcher by trade) with 5 moose in the back. In the spring. Rotten. They asked my buddy if he could butcher the moose up for them. My buddy said "F*ck no, they're green." The "natives" reply? Ok, no problem. We'll just dump these off in the bush and go shoot some more. When my buddy asked them why the moose were rotten they said that they left in the truck/trailer after huntiing for a few days because they went on a bender. This isn't an isolated incident. This type of sh*t happens all the time around here. Not to mention the occupations of crown land which is then turned over to the band by spineless MNR, blockading logging roads and extorting 120 million $ from a logging company. The sh*t these people pull around here is absolutely mind boggling.

As for seeing moose on the side of the road shot. Yeah man, i know it pisses me off too. But are you gonna risk your truck, guns, 5g's+ in fines, a 10 year ban on hunting or owning guns and such and admit you shot the wrong moose? Doesn't really matter who did it in the end though. It's still a waste and a sad one at that. This is why the dogma of "Make sure you know exactly what you're shooting at" is so important right?

Anyway, I'm with Mark on this one. One People, One Country. Equal rights for all or no rights for anyone. The indian act has to be re-written. Most of the treaties too. YMMV. :cheers:
 
I am no guest , I was born here, I work here and I pay my share.

Here is my take.

Everybody screams for equality, simple, make it equal.

Pay your share , if you use the resources provided , contribute.

The days of coddling the so-called minorities must come to an end, the only real minority is the person putting in 2000-3000 hours a year to pay for living and their families and watching others sponge the system dry claiming racism and rights.

When there is an economic collapse and joe six-pack can no longer support the system then it will ALL fail.Then we will be equal because there will be no finances to support anyone.

You want to hunt, buy a hunting guide, follow the rules and buy tags.Then if someone breaks the rules there is no grey areas pertaining to where and how someone can harvest game.people will poach and break the rules either way.This way it simplifies life for everyone.

The ones that use hunting/fishing for actual survival , not generating income do not create the issue.It is the ones that abuse the system just because they can.

Ever pay cash for walleye fillets?? I bet many have, wonder where that comes from? ;)
 
hmmmm i see....... and the point of this thread is????
Deal with it and post a Link later on rather then going on a debate team for this thread.

Its end of hunting season and maybe... just maybe have this topic "after" i enjoy some left over time in the bush. lol
 
Not to derail the thread or anything, but do natives need a PAL to own a firearm, or are they exempt on native land?
 
I just wonder how many of these fur targets are for the want of revenge?
It seems that every so often, and often enough, I find illegal stuff out there.
Found a cow moose head and the trimmings a week or so before the cow/calf
LEH was permitted in the area.
A four point bull moose was found intact unclaimed on another journey by fellow hunters.
Maybe the wishful eye of the shooter could see only a three/two, but to be fooled.
Or the two legged fur on a previous post only to be found to have skin.
Only in Kannader aye............pity.
 
I guess when all the deer, moose and other wildlife have been exterminated - there will be nothing left to argue over.

I went to Waterhen about 8 years ago - all fished out. We would limit out (5x8 pickerel) in under 3 hours when I was a kid (30 years ago).
 
NaviDave said:
I guess when all the deer, moose and other wildlife have been exterminated - there will be nothing left to argue over.

I went to Waterhen about 8 years ago - all fished out. We would limit out (5x8 pickerel) in under 3 hours when I was a kid (30 years ago).
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and we all know the onus will never be put on Aboriginals who abused the system.... that would be racist.

The "politcal correctness" that the world has resorted to is horrible. Everyone wants to have equal rights, but all hell breaks loose when someone is charged for breaking the law that is of color or has some specialty status; that would be racist.

The only people capable of being racists/predjudice are white.
 
It seems to me that most of the posters on this thread just like to point fingers. Indians are to blame for the dwindling wildlife in certain areas of our great country. Give me a break! I'm sure this does apply in some areas, but poachers are also to blame. Oh, but there aren't many poaching out there. Bullsh*t!!! I'd be willing to bet that each and every one of the posters here have/do know a poacher, hell maybe even a couple of the posters have/do poach themselves. On second thought, lets just blame the Indians! Prejudice at its finest. ;)

Cheers, Dusty.
 
koesdibyo said:
and we all know the onus will never be put on Aboriginals who abused the system.... that would be racist.

The "politcal correctness" that the world has resorted to is horrible. Everyone wants to have equal rights, but all hell breaks loose when someone is charged for breaking the law that is of color or has some specialty status; that would be racist.

The only people capable of being racists/predjudice are white.
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I completely agree that those who abuse the rights should and need to be held accountable! Does that mean that I should be punished as well just because I am Indian? Actually I'm 3/4 White and a 1/4 Indian, so I can understand both sides of the argument. This is an issue that will never go away, even if the Authorities started to hold individuals accountable, there would still be people b*tching that we shouldn't have any rights. Even then, if the government stripped us of our rights people would find something else to b*tch about.
 
Do I think those that havent done anything wrong should be punished... no
But that being said, it can't be just ignored because some of the population follows the rules. Why do coffee cups say "caution: hot"? Because one ****tard in the world ruined it for the rest.
Im not one for supporting the 1 bad apple ruins it for the rest type of game; saw it enough in the military. But unless you're out with weapons and equipment used back in the day and not modern day ****, then you dont deserve it.
I have yet to meet 1 Indian who is utilizing their rights to hunt/fish in this way.


Do I believe in the rights given in the first place... no

If everyone wants to be equal, let it be, but dont ##### and complain when you do something wrong and pull the Indian card (not directed at you, or specifically Indians - could be for black people, ### people, green people, whatever)
 
Dusty23 said:
Funny!;) I don't intend to win any debates here, just simply to get people to open their minds a little. You seem quite open minded!
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Same goes for me, I dont want to preach and shovel **** down someones throat saying this is the way. That makes me feel like one of those religious groups going door to door trying to force their **** on me.

Everything I say is my opinion, which I am entitled to. Whether it rubs off on someone, or is my pissing in their cereal makes no difference to me. I love Canada, but I hate the new-Canada.
 
Dusty23 said:
It seems to me that most of the posters on this thread just like to point fingers. Indians are to blame for the dwindling wildlife in certain areas of our great country. Give me a break! I'm sure this does apply in some areas, but poachers are also to blame. Oh, but there aren't many poaching out there. Bullsh*t!!! I'd be willing to bet that each and every one of the posters here have/do know a poacher, hell maybe even a couple of the posters have/do poach themselves. On second thought, lets just blame the Indians! Prejudice at its finest. ;)

Cheers, Dusty.
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I think what most posters are getting at ( myself included ) is this. If an indian goes out hunting at night, out of season with a rifle and a spotlight and takes 4 moose. That is his given ancestrial right. If I, I white person, did that. I am breaking the laws which hunters are suppose to follow. Making me one of those " poachers " you speak of. And that is racist bullsh!t ! Those laws are there to protect and manage wildlife and should be followed by everyone. Including indians.
 
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