Interesting Ruger RSM bedding and 505 Gibbs chamber cast *pictures*

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I posted earlier about receiving brass for my Ruger RSM in 505 Gibbs. In preparation for ordering a bullet mold, I wanted to take a chamber cast, so I removed the barreled receiver from the stock. Here's what I found:

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As you can see, the RSMs have a steel bedding plate that is secured to the forearm by the rearmost screw. Instead of bearing against the wood, the recoil lug with the angled action screw engages a cut-out in the bedding plate. The bedding plate on my rifle is securely attached, even with the screw removed, so I imagine that underneath is some inletting to which the recoil is transfered.

The barrel lug is dovetailed and welded or brazed to the barrel. The foremost screw in the forearm engages this lug. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this barrel lug was added when the rifle was converted. I've been looking at the arrangement of the forearm screws, and I think my rifle was originally one of the early RSMs with the barrel band under the forearm:

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I believe I can see some evidence of where the barrel band used to bear against the forearm inletting. There also appears to be a small "cradle" of epoxy bedding on either side of the barrel lug inlet, but that is all.

More for curiosity's sake, has anyone glass bedded their RSMs, and if so, how? I imagine the primary motivation for additional bedding is to prevent stock splitting rather than improving shot-to-shot consistency, so in that respect, is the steel bedding block generally sufficient?

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In case anyone's interested, here are the measurements I took from the chamber cast:

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The chamber agrees pretty well with the cartridge specs:

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Aside from the bore/groove diameters, measurements were taken with a caliper, so they are really only accurate to ~0.001. I was surprised (don't know why, but I was!) to see a distinct freebore to the throat; that's the 0.521" diameter section with length 0.120".

I also slugged the muzzle with a lead weight and got these measurements:

.4955 bore
.5032 groove

So at least the bore is tapered in the right direction.
 
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This is very interesting, Thanks for posting all the pictures with the details.
We were doing an inventory of my late Brother's firearms a few weeks ago and we came across an Enfield action that he had fitted and chambered to 505 Gibbs. He did build the same thing a few years ago and was in the process of finishing this one at the time of his passing, hopefully I will be able to acquire one of them. The 505 was one of his favorite Bison rifles having killed a couple with one round each.
 
This is very interesting, Thanks for posting all the pictures with the details.
We were doing an inventory of my late Brother's firearms a few weeks ago and we came across an Enfield action that he had fitted and chambered to 505 Gibbs. He did build the same thing a few years ago and was in the process of finishing this one at the time of his passing, hopefully I will be able to acquire one of them. The 505 was one of his favorite Bison rifles having killed a couple with one round each.

Thanks, Kevan, I'm glad you're enjoying the pictures. I didn't know about the bedding plate until I removed the stock. When I searched, I found mention of it, but no pictures... so hopefully others will see it for the first time.

Bison is at the top of my list for NA game to take with this rifle, but that'll be a few years away. I suspect I'll eventually be using this rifle for one of our Vancouver Island black bears next year, depending on how much time I have to work on the loads. Now that I've got the chamber roughly measured, I've got to decide whether to go with one of these paper patch moulds: h ttp://kal.castpics.net/Molds2.html or a custom grease groove mould. I'm leaning towards the paper patch --- it's new territory for me, but I like the flexibilty of experimenting with diameter and lead softness.

And my condolences on the death of your brother. I hope you do manage to acquire one of his 505s --- that'll be a nice reminder of him.
 
Thank-you for the kind thoughts and yes I would like to have one of his big guns, he also made a 510 Wells and a 500 Jeffery not to mention many others.
With regard to your cast bullet search have you checked with CBEs products..... Cast Bullet Engineering in Australia.
Reason I mention them is because they are known to make big bore bullet moulds,
Years ago I bought an 800 gr. mould from them for my 50 BMG and it threw a beautiful bullet, perfectly formed.
Also there is a chap in Regina SK. that makes a darn nice mould and does a lot of work for the BP Silhouette shooters.
I believe his name is Leo Bumphrey... I have his phone # someplace if you want it.
Accurate moulds in Salt Lake City turn out a very well made big bore mould and will custom make to your specs.
Paper patching might work well.... is you barrel rifled fairly deep or is it shallow ? That might affect a paper patch bullet moreso than a grease groove slug... all food for thought isn't it ?
 
Quit all this nonsense talk about the 505 gibbs...It really makes me want to get one and have beside my Ruger 1 in .460 WBY.....hmmmmmm...Xmas is just around the corner and it is my birthday today!!!!
 
Quit all this nonsense talk about the 505 gibbs...It really makes me want to get one and have beside my Ruger 1 in .460 WBY.....hmmmmmm...Xmas is just around the corner and it is my birthday today!!!!

And a Happy Birthday to you Icehunter ! When it comes to a Ruger #1 you can make virtually anything on it.
Many years ago when Moose hunting I met a chap carrying a #1 in 600 Nitro.
We chatted for quite a while and he offered to let me have a shot with it.... I declined after seeing the cartridge.
Just holding a 600 Nitro round brought a pain to my shoulder !
 
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