10rd+ AR mags

My understanding of how the law was explained to me today is that you wouldn't need a 50 Beowulf pistol to be registered with a FRT. When I asked if you could make a wildcat calibre upper and pop it onto a AR15 pistol lower, the RCMP said that if the wildcat magazine is manufactured and marked as a pistol mag, then it can hold 10 rounds.

Well, as I indicated - the caveat will be getting a pistol-specific magazine manufactured. And just because this is how they're explaining it now doesn't mean their interpretation could officially change if a few thousand of these start popping up all over the landscape. There is precedent for magazines being prohibited after the fact. But hey, nothing ventured - nothing gained... Right? :D
 
Yes, although hopefully better than their ARs. They might come pinned (or not), they might not have the right follower (or any follower) - and they may not even insert in the magwell. Sorry, I really tried to resist... but the temptation was too great! ;)

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yeah... so we need a registered .50 beowulf pistol, and mags marketed and marked as pistol only, then done and done...

easiest way is to take a RRA pistol AR, that is already registered as a pistol, put a .50 upper on it, and get the new caliber registered, so it is then a .50 beo wulf AR pistol.

hard part will be getting a manufacturer to actually make mag specifically for 50 beo pistols

BINGO. I think you just laid out the details
 
I think we are opening our selves up for failure. IMHO I think when we venture into the pistol mag effort that we are likely not only to fail, but draw too much attention to the 5 rd .50 mag we can get now. It would not be hard for the powers to be to simply ban import all .50 mags for the 50BW. Remember this kind of thing has already happened with Some rifles like the type 97 and that Walther 22 bulpup. In the end this attention chasing after the 10 rd .50 pistol mag might result in us losing out on the 5 rd .50 pistol mag we can get now.

Bottom line. Do you guys think that the people we piss off wont try something to fight back. Watch your flanks.

Moe
 
Haven't the RCMP been made aware of other mags that hold 5/10 of the designated cartridge but over 5/10 of non specified cartridges.

Didn't the RCMP release a letter clearly stating that they go off of what the mag was DESIGNED and stamped/designated for not what "might" fit into it...
 
RCMP are already aware that 10 rounds pistol mags fit rifles, and have stated UNEQUIVOCALLY that this practice is OK and LEGAL so long as the magazine is MANUFACTURED for a handgun, and holds 10 rounds of the caliber it was DESIGNED for, it is a LEGAL mag, regardless of what other firearms it fits or # of cartridges it fits from a caliber is was not designed for http://www.rc mp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
 
I think we are opening our selves up for failure.

Only 85 posts, but even the "new guy" gets it... There's a lot in the following ruling that is open to interpretation. I'm not saying this would happen, just that it shouldn't be excluded as a possibility...

2. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
• magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.
 
Just a thought, has anyone considered whether it is actually feasible (or even slightly intelligent) to fire a .50 Beowulf pistol 1 handed? After watching people fire them with stocks, I can't see it being much fun after a few rounds. I'm not suggesting we don't want the mags, just saying the pistol itself might be a safe queen.
 
my_2_cents, I don't mean to be rude, but... Think about it this way: Should you fire your 9mm Glock or 9mm RRA one-handed? 'Corse I wouldn't fire a Desert Eagle in .50 AE one-handed either.
 
Yes. You should fire your 9mm one handed. And you should fire it one handed with your weak hand. Be proficient in the use of your firearm. This is pretty standard for anyone that seriously trains to be proficient in using their hand gun. 9mm, 40 SW, 357, 45, and even that DE if you feel able.

Question really is..... Is it possible to be proficient in using an AR based pistol chambered in 50 cal one handed. But that is possibly a different topic all together.
 
Yes. You should fire your 9mm one handed. And you should fire it one handed with your weak hand. Be proficient in the use of your firearm. This is pretty standard for anyone that seriously trains to be proficient in using their hand gun. 9mm, 40 SW, 357, 45, and even that DE if you feel able.

Question really is..... Is it possible to be proficient in using an AR based pistol chambered in 50 cal one handed. But that is possibly a different topic all together.

This was my point...Yes, I fire my 9mm glock one handed and weak handed all the time, in fact most IPSC matches require it. I do not feel I could proficiently fire a pistol in a calibre such as this one handed. I only mention this as the criteria for pistol is designed to be held and fired by the action of one hand. Really, it would normally be fired two handed like most of us shoot our pistols, and even that could be quite a challenge with this round I think.
 
Only 85 posts, but even the "new guy" gets it...

LOL, due to changes in fourm software and an admin glitch once my profile is not quite accurate. I have been a CGN member since 2001. I Frequent CGN lots, read the posts and log off. I realy don't care to post much.

Moe
 
Only 85 posts, but even the "new guy" gets it... There's a lot in the following ruling that is open to interpretation. I'm not saying this would happen, just that it shouldn't be excluded as a possibility...
2. Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
• magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.

again, the mags would have to be MANUFACTURED as fitting both, that part of the law does not apply to specifically manufactured pistol mags at all, it only applies to those manufactured as fitting both
any danger of this happening to a 50 beowulf pistol mag could also happen with lar-10 mags,
they are both covered under the exact same law,
so its not stirring the legal hornets nest any more then the lar 10 mags, and 5/10 beowulf mags already are

the law, AS IT APPLIES IN THIS CASE, is as follows
4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.

Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.

lar-10 mags would be in the exact same boat, there is no difference, whatsoever between putting 10 round lar-10 mags, or "13" round lar-10/7.62mm mags, or 18 round /5/10 .50 beowulf mags at all, the law has already been established

antis would be, (and are) just as pissed we got 10 rounds,

so breathe easy, we dont need to appease the antis, this law is actually on our side here,

you can support 10 round beowulf pistol mags without undue cause for hand wringing
 
so breathe easy, we dont need to appease the antis, this law is actually on our side here

Yes, I understand all of this - but this still doesn't change the fact that there is no .50 Beowulf pistol. There is a RRA LAR-15 pistol and XCR-L pistol both listed as a "handgun" in the FRT database, and since the lower is what determines the name - you're going to need an AA, LMT, RRA, Armalite, DD (etc.) pistol lower with a SBR .50 Beowulf upper (and I don't think a barrel length of over 10" is necessarily going to fly, do you?)

Once you've established the official name for the "pistol", you're going to have to secure permission from this manufacturer to utilize their name on this new magazine (licensing). You're not going to simply be able to take any existing 30-round polymer or metal AR magazine and stamp ".50 Beowulf Pistol" on it. It will actually have to be designed, tested and manufactured - because the established criteria for pistol magazines is that they have to be unique/different from any comparable rifle magazine.

In any event, best of luck!
 
Yes, I understand all of this - but this still doesn't change the fact that there is no .50 Beowulf pistol. There is a RRA LAR-15 pistol and XCR-L pistol both listed as a "handgun" in the FRT database, and since the lower is what determines the name - you're going to need an AA, LMT, RRA, Armalite, DD (etc.) pistol lower with a SBR .50 Beowulf upper (and I don't think a barrel length of over 10" is necessarily going to fly, do you?)

Once you've established the official name for the "pistol", you're going to have to secure permission from this manufacturer to utilize their name on this new magazine (licensing). You're not going to simply be able to take any existing 30-round polymer or metal AR magazine and stamp ".50 Beowulf Pistol" on it. It will actually have to be designed, tested and manufactured - because the established criteria for pistol magazines is that they have to be unique/different from any comparable rifle magazine.

In any event, best of luck!


there are already plenty of .50 beowulf pistols, just FYI, registering an AR lower in a new caliber/barrel length would be all that is needed, same process as putting a 300 BLK barrel on a AR pistol, or 7.62 ect.

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the hard part is not the "lack" of a 50 pistol, since that is already done. The CFC said there is no max barrel length on pistols, only a minimum, so no problem there.

the hard part is getting the license to use the proprietary name .50 beowulf,

plenty of manufacturers who would jump on this, and any manufactured mag, that is specifically manufactured as a .50 BEO pistol mag will do, (your statement is about MODIFYING an existing mag, not what I am talking about at all)

but I need the licensing agreement from Alexander arms first so I can pay them their royalty and get a manufacturer to make these.

I have already contacted Alexander arms on this matter and will update with their reply
 
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