my FN FAL got grabed by fn RCMP

36 hamon said:
i cant own full auto...when they came into the country years ago after the 1978 full auto cut off date they where not even restricted ..these peices allowed guys not in the full auto class to own the same guns as them but in semi only ...the conversions were all done different there was no set conversion for these guns ..they became restricted then prohibited thanks to our crappy govs at the time ...so if it can be converted back to full auto or the conversion isnt very good it gets destroyed ..full auto guys cant even get it ....the rcmp never wanted these guns in the country in the first place now they are weeding them out when we try to transfer them ...
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If they asked to see it why not just tell them no. Go get a warrent... if they don't transfer it why not just call your MP and complain. If you have one that's anti gun then call another one that isn't you might be suprized that some of them will help you even when your not in the same area.

Last time they wanted to see my gun I told them well then drive down to my house then and that was the end of it... I didn't feel like taking it anywhere and it was a frame to firearm satus change. Drop parts in put barrel on done... Call them and say hey its this with this on it change the cert... Now it has no paper work at all the irony...
 
CanAm said:
Federal law, but provincial court. I think a mandamus petition may have to go through the federal court.
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Not here in Alberta. Federal Crown.
I quickly read over that "pamphlet" and I feel that may not be appropriate for this scenario. And of course I don't have the money to sue myself.
 
koldt said:
Not here in Alberta. Federal Crown.
I quickly read over that "pamphlet" and I feel that may not be appropriate for this scenario. And of course I don't have the money to sue myself.
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Interesting, since the firearms act section that applies, s74, is titled "References to Provincial Court Judge".

It is likely that you will need to force the issue, or end up waiting indefinitely.
 
CanAm said:
Interesting, since the firearms act section that applies, s74, is titled "References to Provincial Court Judge".

It is likely that you will need to force the issue, or end up waiting indefinitely.
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Unlike most that post on these issues, I've actually done a Reference Hearing. It is heard by a Prov level judge, but since our province does not pay for administration of the FA, Fed Crown does that part.
That's all just tech stuff as far as the process is concerned. There are filing fees and then the lawyers. And I can't afford that kind of justice, for a $500 sten.
And back to my original statement, the fudds have been appeased, so the national "groups" couldn't care less for big, bad, machine gun owners.
 
Pblatzz said:
Yes, this is currently happening, the police are checking dewats. The CFS (Center for Forensic Science, Firearms and tool marks) is currently looking at several dewats that were deactivated long ago (to spec and the law at the time), but are no longer meeting the current dewat specs now. The CFS is for Ontario only, OPP and other local Police forces, The RCMP has their own lab.


Nice eh,...
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How do they know where the dewats even are? They aren't registered anywhere anymore once dewatted, and are about as restricted as a soda can.
 
koldt said:
Unlike most that post on these issues, I've actually done a Reference Hearing. It is heard by a Prov level judge, but since our province does not pay for administration of the FA, Fed Crown does that part.
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Yes, of course. From your post above, it seemed like you were saying it was heard in federal court. Both the ones we were involved were done in provincial court, the feds are, of course, represented by federal crown counsel.
koldt said:
That's all just tech stuff as far as the process is concerned. There are filing fees and then the lawyers. And I can't afford that kind of justice, for a $500 sten.
And back to my original statement, the fudds have been appeased, so the national "groups" couldn't care less for big, bad, machine gun owners.
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Yes, that is what they assume in most cases, that the owners will not move forward due to costs. I am discussing the issue with the orgs and we may proceed with one or two cases to get some movement out of the lab. This cannot proceed as is.
 
I have little faith in "the orgs" trying to do things for gun owners other than fudds.

I have a crappy attitude towards them as a result of almost 20 years of inactivity. And yes I do realize how things move.

This dilemma, along with the 12.X problems, mag capacities, etc have a far bigger impact than the registry did. Other than making fudds feel better, nothing has changed. The rest of gun owners are simply fodder.

I do not believe the courts will help us at all. The only way to solve these problems is from politics. Ie. the SAP non-issuing problem was as a result of a DOJ lawyer's "interpetation" of the Act. Well let's have someone review who can interpret properly.

The whole mag restrictions were to appease a Lepine "mother" who simply thought it would be a good idea. Why are we creating law based on that???

I have to quit now........
 
Claven2-"Yep, I'm very interested as well as an owner with a gun at the lab for 3.5 years and counting "for evaluation".

Ok, I thought that my G1 that they have had since Jan. 2011 (almost 2 years) was bad. Best I have got was since Dec. 2011 they have been waiting for the report. I have contacted my MP and just sent off a letter with attached documents to Vic T and our PM. See what happens. Am I holding my breath.....no. The thing that pissed me off was the gentlemen I purchased it from had just got it 2 weeks before (had something come up and needed the cash) so somehow in the 2 weeks things changed.:mad:
 
Seems they have no intention to return any, and prevent sales. Even Idle Annie said there was nothing in gun bill that prevented lawful use of firearms. It might have been a lie.
 
koldt said:
I have little faith in "the orgs" trying to do things for gun owners other than fudds.

I have a crappy attitude towards them as a result of almost 20 years of inactivity. And yes I do realize how things move.

This dilemma, along with the 12.X problems, mag capacities, etc have a far bigger impact than the registry did. Other than making fudds feel better, nothing has changed. The rest of gun owners are simply fodder.

I do not believe the courts will help us at all. The only way to solve these problems is from politics. Ie. the SAP non-issuing problem was as a result of a DOJ lawyer's "interpetation" of the Act. Well let's have someone review who can interpret properly.

The whole mag restrictions were to appease a Lepine "mother" who simply thought it would be a good idea. Why are we creating law based on that???

I have to quit now........
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Amen to that brother, amen.
 
koldt said:
I have little faith in "the orgs" trying to do things for gun owners other than fudds.

I have a crappy attitude towards them as a result of almost 20 years of inactivity. And yes I do realize how things move.

This dilemma, along with the 12.X problems, mag capacities, etc have a far bigger impact than the registry did. Other than making fudds feel better, nothing has changed. The rest of gun owners are simply fodder.

I do not believe the courts will help us at all. The only way to solve these problems is from politics. Ie. the SAP non-issuing problem was as a result of a DOJ lawyer's "interpetation" of the Act. Well let's have someone review who can interpret properly.

The whole mag restrictions were to appease a Lepine "mother" who simply thought it would be a good idea. Why are we creating law based on that???

I have to quit now........
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Absolutely, registry of NR is gone that's good however, the much bigger & scary problem of safe storage law, ATT etc. are still there to make every firearm owner a potential criminal, though in reality it would only be a paper crime.
 
i found out by calling the cfc and rcmp that my FN only got to the rcmp mid oct the friggin hamilton cops hadnt sent it in all those months ...im calling them next week to see wtf there game is ..
 
koldt said:
The L1 and C1 are in the 12.5 OIC class. Not considered converted auto, but still prohibited with grandfathering. Therefore still not allowed to take them to a range, for fear what might happen between your house and the range. Apparently babies will be eaten and kittens squished.
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I have an L1A1 that at various times has been non restricted, restricted, prohib CA, and finally prohib 12.5 superdeadly can't leave the house apocalyptic kitten killing machine. These people are control freaks run amok. - dan
 
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