Type 88 Sniper

Tactical Imports · Dec 4, 2012

jwillmoore said:
Norinco cost of product is about known if an importer charges $3000 he is just taking advantage of the market. let him bring in the first batch at 3k other importers will bring in the same rifle at 800-1k and out sell him and make more money.

some dealer's sales strategy is few sales high profit such is the case with the 3k Norinco while others have a different strategy reasonable profit high sales. Which one of these dealers would you like to purchase from someone who will take you to the cleaners because they do not want to bother servicing more than a handful of customers or another who is trying to bring you reasonably priced products? your choice

Beater · Dec 4, 2012

Mr negativeity

cote_b · Dec 4, 2012

T.I,

I think most of us here can understand why you have to price them that high. If you sold them below cost, well thats not very sound business practice. Its just unfortunate that your stuck paying that much at wholesale for them. I know I would be interested in one if it was alot cheaper. Thanks for bringing in such a neat, unique item though! Most of us here appreciate your effort to get cool stuff like this brought in.

jwillmoore · Dec 4, 2012

Sorry if I expect reasonable prices and refuse being taken advantage of

Dealers should learn economies of scale selling bulk volume not a handfull of items at high margins. They are not doing us any favors when they do that.

The dealers must learn from our neighbors to the south

JDube · Dec 4, 2012

??? Are you serious? The guy should bring in 10 000 rifles to get you a lower price? Where is the market for "bulk volume" in Canada's non-traditionnal firearms market? Comparing us with the US in that regard tells alot about your knowledge of economics.

lone-wolf · Dec 4, 2012

Unagi604 said:
Dunno if production costs are relevant since it probably costs $5 to make an SKS, but maybe... $5 marked up to $100+ vs $400 marked up to 3k?

Ever see an SKS? It's definitely no $5 job. A newly manufactured one would probably be a thousand.

My $900 Su16 should be the one selling for $200

Ar180shooter · Dec 4, 2012

jwillmoore said:
Sorry if I expect reasonable prices and refuse being taken advantage of

Dealers should learn economies of scale selling bulk volume not a handfull of items at high margins. They are not doing us any favors when they do that.

The dealers must learn from our neighbors to the south

You do realize that this is a military grade accurized semi-auto rifle that comes with an optical sight and multiple accessories. Just because it's norinco, doesn't mean its cheaply made.

Reasonable prices? What is reasonable for this rifle? Can you find anyone, anywhere else in the world that will sell one to you for any price, let alone $3k?

After going over some of your other posts, I can tell you're absolutely clueless. You can't even tell that there's a difference between Sig Sauer USA rifles and Sig Sauer GmbH rifles. I mean FFS, they're made on different continents, and that's just to start...

Haakman · Dec 4, 2012

haha! buddy wants every firearm regardless of make or quality at the cost of an sks it seems. Negative nancy, I know the type, see them everywhere, grocery store, car shows, trying to barter at the till of a retail outlet haha!
the Canadian firearm market is nothing like the US market, not at all.
probably even thinks sks's are too expensive lol

cadgo · Dec 4, 2012

Why has no one posted pictures or a video yet FFS!

MUGEN · Dec 4, 2012

Tactical Imports said:
He has returned!!!

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ifle-Taking-Orders-Now!&p=7929280#post7929280

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...rifle-(VZ58-in-7-62x51)&p=7923106#post7923106

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?835201-Where&p=7960463#post7960463

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?624159-Type-88-Sniper&p=7960391#post7960391

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?713706-German-made-SIG-516&p=7931340#post7931340

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...1-7-62x39-Rifle-Q4-2013&p=7814147#post7814147

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...1-7-62x39-Rifle-Q4-2013&p=7814130#post7814130

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...1-7-62x39-Rifle-Q4-2013&p=7812470#post7812470

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...Compact-1911&p=7864520&viewfull=1#post7864520

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...nversion-kit&p=7864154&viewfull=1#post7864154

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ng-from-Tula&p=7829635&viewfull=1#post7829635

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ecial-Orders&p=7825523&viewfull=1#post7825523

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-p22-presale&p=7656258&viewfull=1#post7656258

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...o-M4-Quality&p=7656244&viewfull=1#post7656244

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...fense-uppers&p=7656264&viewfull=1#post7656264

Seems like everything is too expensive for this guy.

JetRanger · Dec 4, 2012

It may be pricey at $3K for many of us but to accuse Tactical Imports of price gouging is going too far.
I don't think they would invest in stock out of boredom & unsold stock costs money.

Too bad we can't gripe at the manufacturer.

Beater · Dec 4, 2012

jwillmoore said:
Sorry if I expect reasonable prices and refuse being taken advantage of

Dealers should learn economies of scale selling bulk volume not a handfull of items at high margins. They are not doing us any favors when they do that.

The dealers must learn from our neighbors to the south

you know,, i got an idea for you, you got it all figured,, i think you should get on the ball and open up your own gunshop, invest a ton of $$$ and time, so you can get 10,000 + rifles so you can sell to us cheeper and put everyone else outsa bussness

2bad4u2 · Dec 4, 2012

I personally don't see the value, however, value is a state of mind. If you want it - buy it. If you don't - then don't. How hard is that?

Ar180shooter · Dec 4, 2012

2bad4u2 said:
I personally don't see the value, however, value is a state of mind. If you want it - buy it. If you don't - then don't. How hard is that?

It's definitely a niche market, hence why Tactical Imports isn't buying lots of 200 units to save $100/unit.

The Type 88 isn't really my thing either (may change this opinion, it's growing on me

), although I can see why it costs what it does.

The FAMAE SG 542 on the other hand...

cadgo · Dec 4, 2012

cadgo said:
Why has no one posted pictures or a video yet FFS!

Still no pictures or reviews from owners.... show off your rifle!

ceilingcat · Dec 4, 2012

To the dealer i completely agree with all your saying, I never meant to say the rifle isn't worth the $3000 your asking, because hey we all gotta put food on the table, and I understand you are probably not price gouging, all things considered. and you are totally right for bringing in just a small batch, it all makes sense to cater to the small demand

Things made in China made in numbers are always of great cost efficiency, even if NOT cheaply made.

I was just saying that the VALUE isn't so great to most, (maybe only to MYSELF), (which it seems like many on this thread feel the same way about, since everyone talks about how its fairly priced but no one wants to buy one ...)

Sks is a cheap gun but is heavily undervalued, so it has great VALUE but I'm willing to bet money on the T99 sniper would be less expensive to produce than if you produced a milled sks for the same price, today. So therefore the T99 does not have such great VALUE since it doesn't do anything special compared to the other high dollar (questionable value) guns out there on the market, and does not have a high production cost to justify the cost, and especially it is not a collectable as a military weapon per se

obviously people still buy them for their own interest, I'm just trying to express what some of the haters have expressed but in a way that is fair to both sides

Kudos for bringing them in, because having diversity in our gun ownership is a great thing

mhowarth · Dec 4, 2012

jwillmoore said:
Sorry if I expect reasonable prices and refuse being taken advantage of

Dealers should learn economies of scale selling bulk volume not a handfull of items at high margins. They are not doing us any favors when they do that.

The dealers must learn from our neighbors to the south

This guy's a real piece of work.

Keep up the good work TI!

Ar180shooter · Dec 5, 2012

ceilingcat said:
To the dealer i completely agree with all your saying, I never meant to say the rifle isn't worth the $3000 your asking, because hey we all gotta put food on the table, and I understand you are probably not price gouging, all things considered. and you are totally right for bringing in just a small batch, it all makes sense to cater to the small demand

Things made in China made in numbers are always of great cost efficiency, even if NOT cheaply made.

I was just saying that the VALUE isn't so great to most, (maybe only to MYSELF), (which it seems like many on this thread feel the same way about, since everyone talks about how its fairly priced but no one wants to buy one ...)

Sks is a cheap gun but is heavily undervalued, so it has great VALUE but I'm willing to bet money on the T99 sniper would be less expensive to produce than if you produced a milled sks for the same price, today. So therefore the T99 does not have such great VALUE since it doesn't do anything special compared to the other high dollar (questionable value) guns out there on the market, and does not have a high production cost to justify the cost, and especially it is not a collectable as a military weapon per se

obviously people still buy them for their own interest, I'm just trying to express what some of the haters have expressed but in a way that is fair to both sides

Kudos for bringing them in, because having diversity in our gun ownership is a great thing

Remember, the SKS is a surplus rifle. Surplus = very inexpensive for what you get. If you were to produce new SKS's of comparable quality to the Russian SKS's, they would likely cost between $600 and $1k. The Type 88 is a new rifle, highly accurate w/ a good trigger (for a bullpup), and it comes with several accessories, including 3 extra magazines, a bi-pod and a military grade scope. The QC and fit & finish on these guys is very good. Plus, it is a novel and unique rifle. You don't see many around, and they're not readily available most other places in the world. The SKS was made well and with good materials, but it is a very simple rifle. Very few parts and loose tolerances kelp keep the cost of production low. The Type 88 on the other hand is a much more complex rifle, has way more parts and needs to have much tighter tolerances than an SKS. All of these mean that no matter what, the Type 88 will be an expensive rifle. Now, I imagine if Tactical Imports were to order several thousand, they could bring the price down by a few hundred per unit, but it would still be well above $2k, and then they would have thousands of these rifles sitting on the shelf, and who knows how long it would take to sell all of them.

So basically, the SKS, while a good rifle, was produced in the millions, and is sold as a surplus rifle. The Type 88 is produced in small numbers (even for use with the PLA), and sold as a new rifle with optics. It is not the same value as an SKS, but is a very different rifle, produced with a different purpose in mind, and the value is found by people who want something of high quality, rarity and uniqueness.

FYI I don't have one, but I do understand why people like them. I'll be honest and say it's growing on me...

Aries- · Dec 9, 2012

An SKS these days would be insanely expensive to produce. milling a steel cast receiver would be very cost prohibitive for the standpoint of guns today.

if i didnt own a Tavor and RFB already id be interested in this rifle. but ive got no more room in my safe lol.

cadgo · Dec 9, 2012

cadgo said:
Still no pictures or reviews from owners.... show off your rifle!

Bump, it'd be nice to see some pictures from the owners

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