375 Ruger Factory ammo
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Jack O'Connor called the H&H "The Queen of the medium bores"
I agree with Jack. The H&H is the Queen. The 375 Ruger is the NEW KING
ALL HAIL THE NEW KING!
Gatehouse;
Are you in politics? If you ain't you sure as hell should have been. I haven't heard so much superfluous, non-substantive, chatter since I watched an hour of the Obama campaign. You could spin a cold blooded murder into euthenasia!!! If I ever decided to run for office, I'd want you as my PR chief of staff.
Nobody cares how many rifles Holland & Holland sold last year nor is it relavent to the overall sales of the 375 H&H for the year, or the future. If H&H closed its doors tomorrow it would not affect the sales of rifles sold in this caliber. If Ruger closed its doors tomorrow its offering would be as dead as Elvis. You're correct that in the first 2 years of production sales of the .375 Ruger exceeded projections, but what you neglect to add is that sales since have waned to the point that it no longer supports the cost of tooling. This fact is supported by ammunition sales figures from Hornady.
Rugers offerings amount to an ulgly little pug nose oversized synthetic stocked Alaskan and a very nicely proportioned and feeling African that was put into such a sh!t piece of wood virtually everyone of them has split its stock (which by the way they won't warranty) and not one stock survived the 416 Ruger African. Now there was a cartridge with potential. You can blow the horn as loud as you like but it will not change the writing on the wall, the death knell has been sounded for the 375 Ruger, and Rugers cheap wood and ugly synthetic offering has done it to themselves. There is no niche to fill as you keep trying to say there is, that niche has been filled quite nicely for more than a hundred years.
No one cares if their action is 1/4" longer to accomodate the "TRUE KING". Just because Ruger can't make a slim, trim and well balanced .375 H&H doesn't say the rest of the worlds gun makers can't. My .375 H&H is one of the best feeling and fitting rifles I own, it points like a high priced shotgun and shoots into 3/4 moa. It is not heavy, nor unweildly in any way and a 1/4" shorter action wouldn't change this one bit. AND it cost about the same as a Ruger African brand new. It is better looking and guess what, it hasn't split its stock through more than a thousand rounds of full house loads. It has never, ever, not once failed to feed or extract those big long tapered, and as you say antiquated, cartridges and it HAS faced dangerous game more than once and functioned with out fail when lives were on the line.
You can spout your rhetoric and spin the statistics all you like it will not change the facts, sales are way down....stocks are splitting which they won't warranty.......ammo sales are down........Ruger is in financial difficulty.......no other major ammo maker is picking up the cartridge after 5 years........the novelty has worn off. It is destined to go the way of so many other Ruger GREAT ideas, the hawkeye, the 96, the gold label.........and so on.
Yep the .375 Ruger is the "NEW KING" about as much as Bonny Prince Charlie was at Culloden!!
Are you in politics? If you ain't you sure as hell should have been. I haven't heard so much superfluous, non-substantive, chatter since I watched an hour of the Obama campaign. You could spin a cold blooded murder into euthenasia!!! If I ever decided to run for office, I'd want you as my PR chief of staff.
Nobody cares how many rifles Holland & Holland sold last year nor is it relavent to the overall sales of the 375 H&H for the year, or the future. If H&H closed its doors tomorrow it would not affect the sales of rifles sold in this caliber. If Ruger closed its doors tomorrow its offering would be as dead as Elvis. You're correct that in the first 2 years of production sales of the .375 Ruger exceeded projections, but what you neglect to add is that sales since have waned to the point that it no longer supports the cost of tooling. This fact is supported by ammunition sales figures from Hornady.
Rugers offerings amount to an ulgly little pug nose oversized synthetic stocked Alaskan and a very nicely proportioned and feeling African that was put into such a sh!t piece of wood virtually everyone of them has split its stock (which by the way they won't warranty) and not one stock survived the 416 Ruger African. Now there was a cartridge with potential. You can blow the horn as loud as you like but it will not change the writing on the wall, the death knell has been sounded for the 375 Ruger, and Rugers cheap wood and ugly synthetic offering has done it to themselves. There is no niche to fill as you keep trying to say there is, that niche has been filled quite nicely for more than a hundred years.
No one cares if their action is 1/4" longer to accomodate the "TRUE KING". Just because Ruger can't make a slim, trim and well balanced .375 H&H doesn't say the rest of the worlds gun makers can't. My .375 H&H is one of the best feeling and fitting rifles I own, it points like a high priced shotgun and shoots into 3/4 moa. It is not heavy, nor unweildly in any way and a 1/4" shorter action wouldn't change this one bit. AND it cost about the same as a Ruger African brand new. It is better looking and guess what, it hasn't split its stock through more than a thousand rounds of full house loads. It has never, ever, not once failed to feed or extract those big long tapered, and as you say antiquated, cartridges and it HAS faced dangerous game more than once and functioned with out fail when lives were on the line.
You can spout your rhetoric and spin the statistics all you like it will not change the facts, sales are way down....stocks are splitting which they won't warranty.......ammo sales are down........Ruger is in financial difficulty.......no other major ammo maker is picking up the cartridge after 5 years........the novelty has worn off. It is destined to go the way of so many other Ruger GREAT ideas, the hawkeye, the 96, the gold label.........and so on.
Yep the .375 Ruger is the "NEW KING" about as much as Bonny Prince Charlie was at Culloden!!
I keep getting PM's about how great the NEW KING is, and to keep spreading the word. Don't worry, I have no intention of quitting to spread the news about how awesome the NEW KING is, no matter how much the sheep/luddites wish the blasphemy of the 375 Ruger was never conceived! 
It's funny...I like to give my friend SuperCub grief about his 375 CT, and how he should have just got a NEW KING if he wanted a shorter 375...But at least he isn't one of the sheep that is scared to try something different other than the H&H that the rest of the herd gravitates to. And I never see people wetting themselves crying "Be careful you don't go to Africa with that rifle,they dont' have any 375 CT in stock at the gun stores, you know" Seems to be only a manufactured NEW KING problem...By the bed wetters.
It's funny...I like to give my friend SuperCub grief about his 375 CT, and how he should have just got a NEW KING if he wanted a shorter 375...But at least he isn't one of the sheep that is scared to try something different other than the H&H that the rest of the herd gravitates to. And I never see people wetting themselves crying "Be careful you don't go to Africa with that rifle,they dont' have any 375 CT in stock at the gun stores, you know" Seems to be only a manufactured NEW KING problem...By the bed wetters.
That's because SuperCub is bright enough to KNOW there won't be ammo there if his doesn't arrive. He doesn't keep denying it and assuring us that he's been told there is more and more stock everyday. Speaking of bed wetters, I think you're just deathly afraid to own a rifle in a cartridge that may be longer than your...............
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You sound like you are crying and wetting the bed...wahwahwah...
And of course full of BS.
Look at yourself...NOSLER has announced they are going to produce ammo. No,they aren't the size of Federal when it comes to making ammo, but Nosler has been in the bullet making business a long time and they are backing a winner. Otherwise they would have just shut up and sold bullets. Hornady was struggling to keep up with ammunition supply because of the high demand, they have since caught up.
As with most new cartirdges, there was a quick upsurge in sales and a leveling off, but that doesn't mean that the NEW KING is dead. It's exactly what happened with every new cartridge, including the H&H. But despite what you are saying, north American hunters are looking at the NEW KING and saying " wow, this looks good! I can get H&H horsepower in CRF action in a compact rifle suited to hunting the mountains and marshes, without having to buy a some unwieldy mess with a long barrel better suited to Europe or Africa" nd to boot,Rugers business plan suggested much more limited sales than they achieved. To any business minded individual, the NEW KING sales re a HUGE success. Only an idiot would think that Ruger staked ALL it fortunes on the success of a new, medium bore cartridge. They were smart enough to figure out what people wanted (even if people didn't know what they wanted) and boldly went forward.
And we now have half a dozen gun makers interested in the NEW KING and making rifles.
You are trying to "spin" the real data to try to make it look like the NEW KING is waning in popularity, but all you say is BS.
Facts are:
Ruger has sold way more NEW KING rifles then they ever projected
There has been such a demand for ammo and brass Hornady has struggled to keep up (but thankfully it is much more available now)
Several gunmakers have started chambering the NEW KING
Nosler is making NEW KING ammo
Hunters that want an affordable, quality 375 rifle now have the NEW KING as an option.
The NEW KING has been so popular that we will never see the end of it.
There has never been a real challenger to the throne until the NEW KING showed up.
I'll tell you one thing though- If the 375 WBY had been embraced by gunmakers other than WBY, it probably would have taken away the H&H thunder. If Winchester or Remington had started marketing it, it would have killed the H&H fast. Back when it was introduced, people would have jumped on it, had rifles other than WBY been available for it.
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That's because SuperCub is bright enough to KNOW there won't be ammo there if his doesn't arrive. He doesn't keep denying it and assuring us that he's been told there is more and more stock everyday. Speaking of bed wetters, I think you're just deathly afraid to own a rifle in a cartridge that may be longer than your...............
**sigh** more spin
The point is that people like you say "get an H&H in case you can't get NEW KING ammo"
While at the same time saying " The 375 CT is really cool, great that you have it, more power to you"
When the reality is- nobody makes 375 CT ammo . At all.
At lest SuperCub isn't scared to go outside the herd.
I can't help but to interject the genius of Ruger, not only with the NEW KING, but in many aspects that reflect it.
Nobody knew they wanted a fax machine or a computer or a cell phone until someone told them they wanted it. But we all wanted them....
Nobody knew they wanted a
22Auto pistol
Single action revolver
Mini 14/30
10/22
NEW KING
etc
Until Ruger made them available. Every design that Ruger BANKED on.........worked
Ruger said " you want this" and we agreed.
One more reason the NEW KING will succeed.
Nobody knew they wanted a fax machine or a computer or a cell phone until someone told them they wanted it. But we all wanted them....
Nobody knew they wanted a
22Auto pistol
Single action revolver
Mini 14/30
10/22
NEW KING
etc
Until Ruger made them available. Every design that Ruger BANKED on.........worked
Ruger said " you want this" and we agreed.
One more reason the NEW KING will succeed.
I absolutely agree with every word you say about the 375 Wby, and it is a superior cartridge to the H&H, which it why I have a reamer coming and my Sako will be one before the snow melts.
I think you must have me confused with some other sheep. I have owned and hunted with more wildcats than factory cartridges in .375, I had a 375 CT and a 416 Taylor,that I used on my first African hunt, I've had a .375-300 WM and I built a sweet little 18" barreled 375-350 RM that performed all out of proportion. I designed and had reamers ground, for all intents and purposes, the 375 Ruger 20 years prior to Ruger but I used the 8 X 68 case, improved with a 30 deg shoulder. I also used this same case as a 7mm, 30, and 9.3 which with my loads exceeded the Ruger 375. It is a few thou smaller in dia but a touch longer coming up with the same case capacity as the Ruger has today. My goal was to have a complete line of BELTLESS MAGNUM cartridges short enough to work in a standard length 98 mauser.
If you read back you will see I have never criticized the Ruger cartridge design as I feel it is an outstanding design and I wait with bated breath hoping Win picks it up so I can get some decent brass for it. At which point I'll buy an African in a heartbeat, reinforce the stock and give 'er hell.
My arguement has never been with the cartridge itself, just the arbitrary label you have so vehemently applied and defended.
All I have to say to you on that matter is all hail the "TRUE KING" the 375 H&H !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I personaly think you should rename your true love, Bonny Prince Charlie AKA The Great Pretender.
PS...so Nosler is going to be loading ammo, big deal, where are they getting their brass, as everyone knows Nosler doesnt make brass.......More Hornady junk!!!
I think you must have me confused with some other sheep. I have owned and hunted with more wildcats than factory cartridges in .375, I had a 375 CT and a 416 Taylor,that I used on my first African hunt, I've had a .375-300 WM and I built a sweet little 18" barreled 375-350 RM that performed all out of proportion. I designed and had reamers ground, for all intents and purposes, the 375 Ruger 20 years prior to Ruger but I used the 8 X 68 case, improved with a 30 deg shoulder. I also used this same case as a 7mm, 30, and 9.3 which with my loads exceeded the Ruger 375. It is a few thou smaller in dia but a touch longer coming up with the same case capacity as the Ruger has today. My goal was to have a complete line of BELTLESS MAGNUM cartridges short enough to work in a standard length 98 mauser.
If you read back you will see I have never criticized the Ruger cartridge design as I feel it is an outstanding design and I wait with bated breath hoping Win picks it up so I can get some decent brass for it. At which point I'll buy an African in a heartbeat, reinforce the stock and give 'er hell.
My arguement has never been with the cartridge itself, just the arbitrary label you have so vehemently applied and defended.
All I have to say to you on that matter is all hail the "TRUE KING" the 375 H&H !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I personaly think you should rename your true love, Bonny Prince Charlie AKA The Great Pretender.
PS...so Nosler is going to be loading ammo, big deal, where are they getting their brass, as everyone knows Nosler doesnt make brass.......More Hornady junk!!!
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Funny thing is, 375 WBY ballistics aren't too far from 375 Ruger. But I agree that t he 375 WBY is superior to the H&H, just like the Ruger is superior to the H&H. I actually had a M70 action about to be chambered for a 375 WBY when the Ruger was announced. Then I realized that the NEW KING would suit my needs perfectly.
My goodness...Why on earth would you entertain such cartirdges? You do know that they don't have any ammo in Africa, don't you? And there is no nostalgia? And they are without the much vaunted taper and *** gasp** beltless?? OMG!!
Of course it is an outstanding cartridge. Its the most balanced cartridge in the 375 caliber.
Oh, I see. You are upset that I gave a cartridge a moniker. Yes, I can see how that can be most upsetting and probably disturbed your sleep, too. Sorry about that.
I am sure you can dream about bonny Charles yourself, without my help. Sweet dreams!
Funny thing is, 375 WBY ballistics aren't too far from 375 Ruger. But I agree that t he 375 WBY is superior to the H&H, just like the Ruger is superior to the H&H. I actually had a M70 action about to be chambered for a 375 WBY when the Ruger was announced. Then I realized that the NEW KING would suit my needs perfectly.
My goodness...Why on earth would you entertain such cartirdges? You do know that they don't have any ammo in Africa, don't you? And there is no nostalgia? And they are without the much vaunted taper and *** gasp** beltless?? OMG!!
Of course it is an outstanding cartridge. Its the most balanced cartridge in the 375 caliber.
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Oh, I see. You are upset that I gave a cartridge a moniker. Yes, I can see how that can be most upsetting and probably disturbed your sleep, too. Sorry about that.
I am sure you can dream about bonny Charles yourself, without my help. Sweet dreams!
Apparently you need a lesson in firearms history as well, not surprizing...........Other gun makers could not embrace Roys design because he patented it as a proprietary cartridge as he did with all his Wby cartridges. Winchester and Remington did not have the option to market it nor to produce ammo for it, as this was covered in an iron clad contract with NORMA giving sole rights to marketing in NA. You might have noticed that as soon as Roys patents and the granted extensions ran out every maker was on the band wagon offering Wby chamberings and ammo.
Yeah, I guess that is correct...Although if they wanted to they could have paid the patent premium $$..... But I guess they figured that it wasn't worth it .Not many NA hunters wanted a 375 back then.One more reason the 375 WBY never got a good foothold. Too bad, really. But it says lots about why the NEW KING will be successful. Not many wanted to pay the WBY$$$ premium, but they are more than happy to buy the NEW KING.
I doubt the 375 Ruger makes the H&H obsolete any time soon...The Ruger is just a newborn competing with history, and 100yrs of it at that..Even though history is usually a little exagerated, it still remains to be..The Ruger definitely isn't going to rewrite history, but it has a good chance on making history, and I want to be a part of that....I hope I am right this time round...
I was sure that the 280 was going to topple the 270 Win making it all but obsolete, the only problem is, nobody told the people who were using this obsolete round.
No fear, what we have here is Doug working on his 5th time @ being banned...Wonder what his next CGN handle is going to be?
I was sure that the 280 was going to topple the 270 Win making it all but obsolete, the only problem is, nobody told the people who were using this obsolete round.
No schit! Especially after he said in his first post he wanted an H&H! Then said he had an FN Mauser that he was going to build into an H&H!
No fear, what we have here is Doug working on his 5th time @ being banned...Wonder what his next CGN handle is going to be?
I think had the 280 been properly introduced in a rifle that people wanted, it may have succeeded in toppling the 270.
At least the NEW KING was appropriately packaged!
Wow, I'm impressed....
You actually did some research on your own!! Now that wasn't too painful, was it?
Actually Cleftwynd, to be completely accurate, Nosler doesn't make any brass. They purchase, process, repackage and resell. Odds are about 100-1 that it will still be Horn brass.
That's all it is, and for some reason the standard ol long cases are still selling like mad. To the chagrin of many. I don't see why anyone cares if a cartridge they don't like dies or not, but then again I am not Gatehouse, lol.
Yes Doug, I know Nosler doesn't make brass, they get supplied by almost every actual manufacturer then prep and sort. My point was, who cares of Nosler offers the Gatehouse 375, they also offer many other unpopular and obsolete cartridges. Always have. And you are right, it is the same brass that Hornady offers, prepped, sorted and packaged all pretty. So there is still only one manufacturer.
