9mm big enough?

misanthropist said:
F that, I don't de-lint s#!t, I'm a big shot now
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You obviously aren't a fan of appendix carry I assume. If you was you would have more respect for the dangers of lint. When the muzzle is pointing at your two boys and Mr. Johnson you wanna have a kkkkllllleeeaaannnn gun unless of course you wanna instantly join the other team of you know what I mean.

Take Care


Bob
 
I feel the opposite...that lint is probably the only thing preventing my home-job 2# Glock trigger from going off in my appendix-carry Serpa. It's like an extra safety.

Seriously though, funny thing about AIWB - I was kind of in to it last time it was cool...like 1993? But I didn't shoot much back then, just hung around some shooters and maybe burned a 1-200 rounds a year, always through 1911s (and one Firestar in .45). So later, when I got in to shooting, not just owning guns, I just assumed my appendix-carry thing was a relic of my ignorant non-shooter years. I defaulted to 4 o'clock.

Now look, it's hip again and although I avoided it for maybe the last 3-4 years, after taking a course with Craig Douglas I ended up running my blue gun and then sim guns at AIWB because it was so much easier to get to while getting my ass kicked by the Jujitsu squad.

So now I'm convinced there's something to it again.
 
guys, please

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5440fight said:
I can't stay silent any longer. Pizza crust exposure issues are a myth! What do you think litters every gangster's coffee table? : Pizza crusts, gats(guns to the lay person), and bongs. Do their guns fire? - Of course! Pimpin' aint easy, they gots too! As long as you avoid anchovies, the crusts will have no effect. Bong water, on the other hand is very sticky, and by shooting guns sideways, you can clear that sh!t quick, if some fool comes creepin'.

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By the way, punks like this be frontin'- the ejection port should be down if you're a real playa.
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Ok you may have a point, I now believe in the dangers of pizza crust exposure. But the real question is why does Cheetos dust lock up my glock 20 like Mother Teresa's panties on prom night? But it actually makes my revolvers shoot into space?

Shawn
 
I wont lie after the first 3 pages I stopped reading. Here's my thoughts, its a personal preference. Unless you get in a lot of practice you might land one shot with a 45 under stress, I'm not a small guy but I can admit that a 45 kicks like a donkey. A 9mm on the other hand, I can drop an entire mag fast and keep a group no problems. SO....

10 hits to the head with a lead pipe (9mm) or one hit to the head with a baseball bat (45) thats my crappy comparison


Also you guys are going on about FBI studies but I'm surprised that nobody has found the studies that the FBI did on the rounds hit between bad guys and LEO's. See the good guys have to worry about law suits, and back stops and do a lot of "structured" shooting. So training makes the good guys always go for center of mass thus not always taking an available shot. The same study showed that the bad guys just shoot to hit, period. Thats why you get chest, shoulders, legs, arms, heads and more bad guys actually kill bad guys where by in a police shooting the bad guy always seems to make it.

Its about the shock and concussion of getting hit to stop the threat, and number of rounds = bleed out = death. There are children using 9mm very effectively and they don't belong to any gun ranges.


Its not what you shoot. Its how you shoot.
 
mrnobody said:
I wont lie after the first 3 pages I stopped reading. Here's my thoughts, its a personal preference. Unless you get in a lot of practice you might land one shot with a 45 under stress, I'm not a small guy but I can admit that a 45 kicks like a donkey. A 9mm on the other hand, I can drop an entire mag fast and keep a group no problems. SO....

10 hits to the head with a lead pipe (9mm) or one hit to the head with a baseball bat (45) thats my crappy comparison


Also you guys are going on about FBI studies but I'm surprised that nobody has found the studies that the FBI did on the rounds hit between bad guys and LEO's. See the good guys have to worry about law suits, and back stops and do a lot of "structured" shooting. So training makes the good guys always go for center of mass thus not always taking an available shot. The same study showed that the bad guys just shoot to hit, period. Thats why you get chest, shoulders, legs, arms, heads and more bad guys actually kill bad guys where by in a police shooting the bad guy always seems to make it.

Its about the shock and concussion of getting hit to stop the threat, and number of rounds = bleed out = death. There are children using 9mm very effectively and they don't belong to any gun ranges.


Its not what you shoot. Its how you shoot.
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Like the boys in the hood are gooder shots dats why dey go for da head shots. Da boys never miss except on pupose. The fuzz on da auter hand shoot center mass cuz dey don't mind getting shot at and are more concerned about lawyers when somebody is shooting at them.

Translation: I think your conclusions are suspect.....just saying.

Take Care

Bob
 
There is only one answer here that is accurate: Shoot whatever you shoot better. Bullet placement is key, and always will be. -

45acp in the shoulder= not immediately lethal.
9mm in the hip=not immediately lethal.
.22lr between the eyes= not enough time to blink.

If you shoot it better, and can put rounds where you want them to go, the size of the wound becomes a secondary concern. If you use a heavier caliber that prevents you from placing follow-up rounds accurately, if the first one misses, the second one is less likely to hit where you want. 9mm is a good compromise caliber for just that reason. Magazine capacity is excellent, recoil is manageable, penetration is very good, expansion is decent.

All common pistol calibers will not penetrate body armour, bringing greater emphasis to accurate shot placement. Yet another reason to consentrate on improving shooter skills, rather than obsessing about gelatin block damage models.
 
id64 said:
e=mc2
Same caliber, almost the same mass of the bullet. Which one will do more damage?
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Wrong formula - we're talking classic mechanic, not relativity.
And not the OP's question.
And i have seen through-and-through with 5.56 with the BG still shooting back with 4 holes in his body.
 
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