Setting Up AR For A Training Course

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Hey all.

Hoping to take a carbine course next summer.

I have a Norinco with a 10.5" barrel as one rifle. Plan to get an NEA 10.5 aswell/

Looking for help/guidance for a single point sling mount. And type of sling.

A tactical type charging handle.

For the NEA I hope to get some Troy tritium battlesites and a grip for the front rail of the gun.
 
if your goign to take a course, bring both guns, so when one s**ts the bed you have another to keep going, alsot more spare parts.
As for a single point sling, take a look at the BFG vickers ( VCAS) sling, no point having a single point anymorwe when you have VCAS.
I take it you will be useing a handgun as well in this course , that why you want a sling?
 
Remember that if you are going to the states for the course norinco is a no go.

My advice is to run them stock and get the cheapest sling mount and sling you can.

I am assuming this is your first formal training, if I am wrong you can disregard this but its good info to get out none the less.

Now before everyone jumps in an starts with this super tactical sling or mount or what ever is gods greatest gift to humans there is reason to my madness. The reason I say go stock for your first course is you don't know what you don't know yet.

Specifically you don't know what will work for you or how you want to set up you gun. The training will give you perspective on what you want to run and how you want to run it. It will also let you see and hear what the instructors and other students use and why they do. You may also get a change to try others guns and setup to see if they work for you before you dump a bunch of cash on stuff that may not work for you.

This is on top of the points Simon made about back up gun, spares etc.

Shawn
 
Max Owner said:
Hey all.

Hoping to take a carbine course next summer.

I have a Norinco with a 10.5" barrel as one rifle. Plan to get an NEA 10.5 aswell/

Looking for help/guidance for a single point sling mount. And type of sling.

A tactical type charging handle.

For the NEA I hope to get some Troy tritium battlesites and a grip for the front rail of the gun.
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Are you training in Canada or the US? If you are going to the US you'll need a rifle made in the US with a 16" barrel.

Regardless, if you are going to spend the money to travel, stay in a hotel, ammo, food, tuition, alcohol, lost wages etc, I would not be bringing along low end hardware. You want to spend the time on course learning, not fixing stoppages or broken guns. By using quality guns your chances of wasting your time and money go down.
 
Can I suggest you change those plans on the nea....
so many better options for just a few dollars more.

telling us what guns you are using invited a response......... :)
 
Staying in Alberta for this course.

Gonna make do with what I have (Norinco) and have another for a back up. Also plan to have one of those repair kits for any broken type stuff. I've had plans for the NEA for about a year now. So it will be my second rifle. High end hardware means I don't take the course. I do understand what is being said about better equipment.

All I know is I will be needing a sling. I could just pick one and go (buying 2 for rifles) but hope to show up with something better than bailing twine. Just so I don't get laughed off the range.............
 
WHAT YOU LIKE and WHAT YOU HAVE.

Seriously, train with WHAT YOU HAVE and WHAT YOU WILL BE USING.

The rest is a moot point, no matter if you are running super high tech gucci arcteryx and KAC or running condor and norinco. The difference of you running plastic $60 dollar magpul buis vs $300 KAC micro BUIS or running a plane jain $10 2 point sling vs a $60 VCAS fancy adjustable means nothing to you until you've actually run them.

Those courses also let you run your gear to find out what works and what doesn't work for you. There is NO right or wrong. Everyone can have a different preference, with points being made to professional and knowledgeable advice given from people who have been there and done that for a long time.
Put together your AR how you like it. Throw on whatever you like that you THINK will work for you. Then put on all your gear etc etc.

After that RUN YOUR COURSES. After the first few hours, you will right away figure out what is working for you and what needs to be changed or moved.

That is what running those courses is all about, getting comfortable with what you are running and figuring out what needs to be where and what needs to be changed.

Specific to your questions, charging handles are all just enlarged little nubs that allow easier 1 handed operation. There are a few out there from latch add-ons to the BCM VLTOR gunfighters etc etc. Honestly other than the shape and tacticool factor they all relatively give the same function. Same thing with 1 point slings, there is really only so much difference between a looped strap of material you can attach that will give you any sort of edge over another circular loop of material.
 
Max Owner said:
Hey all.

Hoping to take a carbine course next summer.

I have a Norinco with a 10.5" barrel as one rifle. Plan to get an NEA 10.5 aswell/

Looking for help/guidance for a single point sling mount. And type of sling.

A tactical type charging handle.

For the NEA I hope to get some Troy tritium battlesites and a grip for the front rail of the gun.
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What kind of course are you taking? Is this a skill based course, a mindset course? Is it a basic course, advanced, your first course? Is this course designed for competitors, soldiers, civilians? Regardless you need to run what you'll use, not what's "appropriate" for the course.

little_airwolf said:
I was under the impression that Canadians can't take US training courses. Something about training forign people and a law against it.
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Yeah.... ok.. :rolleyes:

TDC
 
I would not setup anything special for a course. I'd run the gun "as-is" as you've had it for a while. Changing anything will throw you off. KISS reigns. If you dont normally have a tac latch, a course isn't the time to try new things.

Wrt to slings, all slings have advantages and drawbacks per another. Stick with one and be proficient with it prior to course. bring extra springs, pins, mags, and batteries for you scope, and more importantly, your ears :)
 
Max Owner said:
...Looking for help/guidance for a single point sling mount. And type of sling.

A tactical type charging handle...
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For the OP...
I found the PRI gas buster and med latch gunfighter CH work well. I found on transitions, the Badger Ordnance or similar length protruding latches as depicted below, tend to get hung up on the sling and mag pouches if you are running a carrier or load bearing vest that pronounce chest size

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As for one point, I found Tactical Tailor bungee or MS3 worked well for me:

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As for mount, GG&G Agency or Troy Professional Grade Sling Adaptor allow you to mount without taking the receiver locking nut off both take a couple minutes to install.

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If mounting is not an issue, I like the ASAP for ease of transition between and strong and suppport side.

As for my gun, I run it stock other than a MOE grip, simply because it fits my hand better.

I have been on numerous courses but again only my opinion from experience...
 
I have been using a SOC-C sling from BFG for the past couple years and see no need to change. I bought a simply GG&G adaptor for it like the one pictured above.

Any tac latch on a charging handle will do IMO. I cannot understand why some spend upwards of $100 or more on a charging handle....just buy the latch for $20 and attach it to the one you've got.
 
Here is another way of looking at it, which I've seen happen on courses and heard from multiple instructors about.

You may go to the course to learn, but so does everyone else, and the instructor has to move as slow as the slowest person. If you don't have a sling on your firearm for when it comes time to do transitions, you hold everyone else up because you have to now be taught how safely hold both firearms at the same time while shooting.

The other draw back to not actually having a sling on your firearms when you show up, is that you don't actually see if a sling works for you or not because chances are you won't get to do any of the drills with one to try it out.

If you don't have sights that work, now the instructor has to take extra time to show the student how to hold off, or take the time to fiddle around with the sight, which again wastes others time.

What if your rifle or pistol sh!t the bed, again, now the instructor has to take some time to see if they can get it up and running again quickly. If not then they have to make a decission on if to give you their personal firearm or not which they require for demonstration purposes. They could take it back for the demos but again that wastes time.


Be as prepared as you can be for a course and you'll learn that much more.
 
^^Good points.

Kit selection depends on the type of course you are taking too. If it's a beginners course, it's Ok not to have everything figured out, but at least make sure you have the basics covered.

Earl is very flexible with all types of kit. We had a guy running an old school 20 inch AR with a loop sling on the first carbine course and Earl helped him a bunch with his kit, without slowing down the class. I believe he had a huge 6 power optic on the carry handle too! He did quite well with it and with Earl's help, sorted out his transitions just fine.

On an advanced course it's a different story. You better have your kit sorted out!
 
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