New Remington Rifle: Remington 783
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Mystic Precision
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If this is anything like the Axis, then it will be quite different in almost all areas of manf.
The Axis vs Savage is very obvious what types of machines each was geared to be made on. The Axis receiver is shaped based on what is the easiest way to produce on CNC (one reason, most of these actions look the same). A bunch of parts have been engineered OUT of the bolt. Many are cast or polymer. Fewer springs which if there, are shorter. Mold in attachments points instead of bolting them in, etc.
Mold parts to have difficult functions like latches and levers. That saves a ton of little parts and their assembly.
Stocks with integrated trigger guards, swivel stud mounting points, press to fit recoil pads, molded in recoil points instead of a lug on the receiver.
Polymer mags with perfect angle on their feed lips. All the time, everytime.
How to make a functional rifle with as few parts as possible. Those parts as easy to manf yet hold tolerances and strength - almost no fitting required. This Rem with a more open lever style trigger aka accutrigger. The 40X type trigger is expensive to make and time consuming to set up.
They have modernized the production to the same way we make toasters and coffee makers. Put them together in minutes and they simply work.
There are features in the Axis engineering that I feel are BETTER then the Savage. That can also be said for the Ruger American. I suspect this Rem will follow the same thought process.
this is how they are making a solid functioning rifle for so little money. They are taking the production away from WWII thinking using WWI designs.
Unfortunately in so doing, they are now making appliances NOT heirlooms.....
Jerry
I wondered about that at the very begining, but somehow I think the trigger unit is completely different and it is only a matter of time to see if there is any aftermarket support, but if the price is online with a timney or jewel or the like that are available at the prices now then your obviously going to be better off starting with a SPS rifle again.
From whats been said so far about the finish on the reciever and barrel in the few reviews to date this really was never nor will ever be a show piece but mainly a utilitarian hunting rifle and not neccesarily the best choice for a budget build down the road.
The rear tang on the axis has been removed and the rear of the trigger mechanism is pinned to the reciever, if they cut that back tang off of the new 783 action then it is unlikely that there will be any after market support that is going to be financially cheaper then starting with the SPS rifle as a platfrom.....time will tell as I am sure we won't have one to inspect in Canada until closer to the end of the year.
Looks like it has a tang like a 700 in these picks, those look like standard 700 scope mounts as well.
http://www.guns.com/2013/01/03/the-new-remington-783-bolt-action-on-a-budget/
Mystic Precision
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Sales and profit will determine the outcome.
Right now, all the plastic fantastics are selling like crazy. interviews that I have seen from SHOT 2012 had lots of smiling faces from Savage. Ruger was 6 month backordered in the first day or two releasing the American.
Aftermarket, customisation, competition, beauty, they really don't care. They design and make the product for their bottom line, not ours.
Like the IPOD, consumers just want a need filled. The fact that there are many other ways to get BETTER performance isn't stopping the million dollar industry that is down loading music files which ultimately don't sound anywhere near as good as vinyl.... Remember that?
What a hunting rifle is will be determined by sales. All the oldies like the pre 64, ruger MkII's and Rems are not keeping up to these plastic "gems" Maybe as this market matures, things will change and quality and beauty will return but at least there is a market and that is a very good thing.
Jerry
Looks like a great "throw behind the seat" rifle and forget about it. 30-06 and an old Weaver K6 and you got an indestructable truck gun. AND it's a REMINGTON !!!
Any rifle that has an adjustable trigger down to 2 1/2 lbs and shoots MOA, ain't a "heap of junk" !! It may be a low budget rifle but it ain't junk. I am going to buy one just to keep as a lender and try and get some more folks around my new residence out hunting. Might even stow my personal bias and buy it in 270, in favor of low recoil over performance. Besides you can kill deer here with a stick, don't need a 300 Wby. They shouldn't be TOO handicapped with a 270 and 130 gn Sierras @ 3000 fps.
Any rifle that has an adjustable trigger down to 2 1/2 lbs and shoots MOA, ain't a "heap of junk" !! It may be a low budget rifle but it ain't junk. I am going to buy one just to keep as a lender and try and get some more folks around my new residence out hunting. Might even stow my personal bias and buy it in 270, in favor of low recoil over performance. Besides you can kill deer here with a stick, don't need a 300 Wby. They shouldn't be TOO handicapped with a 270 and 130 gn Sierras @ 3000 fps.
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BigUglyMan
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Vomitorious.
x2 so very true !!!
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I bought a 770 in 30.06 from an acquaintance because the price was right, and I was just starting to hunt. The day i went to the range with it, there was a guy there with a 700 in 30.06. I had the chance to shoot them both back to back, and I would not spend the extra money on a 700. I was more accurate with the 770. The bolt was a bit sloppier, but overall, I am glad I had a chance to shoot both. The only way I would spend the money for a 700 is if I could ind one in left hand. Just my .02. I would rather spend the money I saved by buying the 770 on some good optics, which is what I did.
No it hasn't. How many bailouts now?...........Detroit is empty friend.
Anyway, the gun is fugly and I wouldn't buy one. I say the same thing about Savage and Marlin X7's too. That said I hope they sell a boat load so I have someone to bicker with around the campfire.
I would rather see them do an SPS ADL with stamped sheet metal parts and barrel nut for an entry level. Cheap donors......
It looks like Remington started with the worst POS that they ever produced, the 710/770, and combined it with a Savage. It looks as though every feature exists for the sole purpose of making it cheaper to manufacture. At least it has a threaded barrel, which is some improvement over the 710/770.
However, given that some people bought the 710/770, I am sure that some people will buy the new rifle.
However, given that some people bought the 710/770, I am sure that some people will buy the new rifle.
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Mystic Precision
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I said it worked for decades.... I never said anything about working TODAY
The best part of these actions will be the availability of dirt cheap donors.
Jerry
This gun is NOT like a 710 or 770. I had one in my hands 2 months ago at a show in the US before it was even publicly known it was being made. The magazine is much like a Savage Axis, except the mag release is spring steel instead of plastic. Magazine removal and insertion is very positive, without the cheap plastic-y feel of the Axis mag. The bolt feels much like a 700 to cycle, way better feeling than most other economy rifles out there, possibly excepting the Ruger American. The stock may not be the prettiest but it feels good, and just as importantly feels solid. The trigger was crisp and relatively light, although the gun I handled was pre-production. Truthfully, I was very impressed with it given the price point. If it shoots as well as I anticipate, it will be one of the best economy rifles going. Don't be so anxious to trash it, till it has a chance to prove itself.
