There are no alternatives to the AR15

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I can be a little slow.
I have seen what the AR15 / C7A1-A2 can do out to 500m.
Heck I patched the targets

After an exhaustive study over the last month I don't care what 5.56 / 223 semi-auto you have....
At $1500 or under there is no platform out there that can do it like the AR15

SU16F
Mini 14
CSA VZ58 223
AR 180b
Type 97 (might not be true - I'd like to fart around with this one for a month and put it through some trials)
I'm just worried they will make this one prohibitted again.........

All dogs in comparison
Don't bring up the prohibitted classes please or I'll start crying...

Sorry

I just wish they wouldn't gouge us so much for the ACR, XCR, MR1, Tavor, SL8 & SIG 550's

I'm done
Off my chest
I feel better

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I agree. AR is the best thing out there. I'd even say it is far superior to the other rifles you mention. Nice Elcan btw, I picked up one for myself a few weeks back.
 
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what about the type 97? its made in the furnaces of the evil communist regime. it was built to conquer and its only 1000$ i know its not an ar15 and doesnt have the aftermarket support. but this is canada lets just eat our cake this may/june. i do agree with you on the prices of our available black rifles. if they lowered the price of the said rifles to something like 1500 theyd barely keep up with demand. i wont believe that importation and a new barrel raises the price 1000$ it called greed. my local gun shops cant keep norinco m4 clones on the shelves they are so reasonably priced, while i see some guns on the walls for months some even a year now.
 
daniel_250r said:
what about the type 97? its made in the furnaces of the evil communist regime. it was built to conquer and its only 1000$ i know its not an ar15 and doesnt have the aftermarket support.
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The Type 97 isn't half the rifle the AR15 is. I'd role the dice on an $1100 NEA long before I'd buy another Type 97. Don't get me wrong, I like the Type 97, but the best thing about it is that it's non-restricted, which in the construct of this conversation, is not a valid point.


andrew3081 said:
What is wrong with the VZ58?
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Nothing if you are only shooting it to 300m. Try to shoot it at 500m with the accuracy of an AR15.
 
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I agree that for the money, it's tough to beat an AR. The reason they don't appeal to me as much as a couple other rifles is probably just that when I'm at work, I literally see a thousand AR platforms a day (I'm not exaggerating the numbers). I just
like to have something different, hence the reason I bought an ACR.
 
Clobbersauras said:
The Type 97 isn't half the rifle the AR15 is. I'd role the dice on an $1100 NEA long before I'd buy another Type 97. Don't get me wrong, I like the Type 97, but the best thing about it is that it's non-restricted, which in the construct of this conversation, is not a valid point.


Nothing if you are only shooting it to 300m. Try to shoot it at 500m with the accuracy of an AR15.
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The range i am using is only 200m anyways lol.
Why role the dice with NEA Ar15 while you can get American made Ar15 for less than $1000?
 
If I wanted to go for something "western" (assuming nothing is prohibited or restricted of course *tongue in cheek*)

H&K G36 or G3A3 for a bit more power.

"Eastern" firearm

I would have to go for the AK-74. 5.45mm and it gets the job done. I don't have to worry about fixing it. All it needs is ammunition really. It aint a fussy rifle.
 
Please don't bring up NEA - they make a fine AR15
Yes they had growing pains but they have listened to their clients, seriously improved quality control measures and employed some of the world's best advisors.

I don't want to hear any more slagging please - thanks in advance...
 
whats wrong with a good Mini-14? same round, both semi auto.

Then, i say, yes, its kinda plain out of the box, but its cheap too, so you can tart it up a bit.

And,i am actually asking, not being a ####.
 
John_in_BC said:
whats wrong with a good Mini-14? same round, both semi auto.
Then, i say, yes, its kinda plain out of the box, but its cheap too, so you can tart it up a bit.
And,i am actually asking, not being a ####.
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A new Mini-14 is still about $1000 out of the box.
I really shouldn't be too critical though..

I see all of the "dogs" as previously described 2< MOA rifles off the bench.
Tactically though - running and gunnin under a modicum of stress they're all reliable.
I'd sure like to try the new Ruger Mini-14 tactical (without the crappy ATI stock). The one with the Bird Cage arrestor on it.

That would be wicked (still a 2+ MOA rifle though). If the gas system can be tightened, op rod guide tightened, properly bedded, and the 6lb trigger lightened then yeehaw.... It might be a 1 MOA rifle? Who knows how to do this though?

I just wish the AR15 was non-restricted. OK my true feelings revealled - I won't bore you.
I have searched far and wide to find something comparably priced, non-restricted and equivalent in accuracy & reliability.
FUBAR

The mini-14 is still probably good value for money.
The Benelli MR1 at $1750 though??? WHAT???
It's still a 2+ MOA rifle!

All I can say is - Manufacturers stop bending us over and pull your chite together.
The AR15 is old tech now - surely you can come up with something comparative and cost effective?

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John_in_BC said:
whats wrong with a good Mini-14? same round, both semi auto.

Then, i say, yes, its kinda plain out of the box, but its cheap too, so you can tart it up a bit.

And,i am actually asking, not being a ####.
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They are talking about shooting good groupings at 500M. Mini 14 would not be the best tool for that.
 
There's nothing 'wrong' with a Mini-14 per se... I'm quite fond of mine.

The shortcoming to the rifle vs. the AR15 is all operator ergonomics IMO. Try to do a fast mag change on the fly with an AR, then with the Ruger...

Otherwise it's a handy little carbine, but not designed for the same purpose if you ask me.
 
Riflechair said:
At $1500 or under there is no platform out there that can do it like the AR15
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Let me point out that in extreme cold conditions your AR is far more likely to have stoppages than my M14 given the same maintenance schedule. And it costs $400. Add a Blackfeather rifle stock and you can be swapping "uppers" on the M14 for less than half the cost of an AR10 and achieving sub-MOA on this very reliable, battle-proven platform. Did you leave the M14 out of your study? If so, I humbly submit my addition for your review.
 
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