There are no alternatives to the AR15
- Thread starter Riflechair
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This is very true... but just for argument's sake, pretend that pricing was even and fair, and that our firearms laws actually made sense. Would you prefer an AR over something like an ACR? I've shot a SIG 550's/PE90's a bit, and despite being heavy, they're pretty accurate, and well built. Although I haven't seen them in action at 500m/600m, I can't imagine that they wouldn't hold their own against an AR.
Just curious how you guys are ranking the AR as the best.
BTW, I love the look of this.
Yea, fortunately for the civilian market, we have options... I have the basic carbine stock on one of my ARs and a Magpul CTR on my other, and the CTR is way superior... wiggle free and locks into place.
Yes I would always take the AR over the others. Being the AR will outshoot them or match them accuracy wise and will always weigh less. Unless remington got their heads out of their asses and release the Remington ACR to the shooting public instead of the shrubmaster monstrousity. Then the weight won't be an issue.
It is a shame the AR15 can't be shot on the back 40 like non-restricted firearms. Could care a less what the government wants to call it, so long as I get to shoot it. Would be nice to hunt with one also. My 20" Colt flat top is the one rifle in my gun cabinet that I trust to make the shot everytime.
Ar180shooter
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Absolutely.
I can't say I agree, my brother has his American citizenship and obviously lives stateside and whenever I'm down south we invariably go to his local shop. The prices are not the same, not even close. I think the problem may be that no Canadian distributer brings in the kind of volume to justify getting a comparable price break like there US counterparts, add in the x-border crap and what it costs in time and $ and yes I can see us paying more for the same. The question is how much more. To say these factors are not exploited by retailers here in Canada is just not true. I enjoy the fact that we have hard working individuals that bring in great new products for us to try etc. I'm thankful they are there. But your kidding yourself if you think your not paying a exhorbant amount over your american counter-part.
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There are lots of alternatives to the AR in Canada. The VZ-58 being my absolute favorite. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
There should be no restrictions on firearms based on barrel length. Do criminals measure the barrels of their Glock 19s and call off the gang hit because it may violate certain arbitrary technical restrictions as proscribed by firearms act?
The only people affected by these laws are lawful people who are inclined to abide by every silly, ridiculous regulation.
Personally I agree, it doesn't make sense, but getting the nanny state to agree to that is going to take time, and will need to be done in increments - first the long barrels then the short. Personally I don't see the point (or the scientific support) for ANY restrictions. Convincing the ### of that will take time. Ending gun control is a journey, not a destination. The best way not to get anywhere with regard to rolling back restrictions, is to ignore where we are. Not a Fudd, not in the least - I've never hunted but I've 'owned' guns since before I was legally entitled to (age 8 right around the time of the full auto prohibition) - most of which, like the AK, FAL, M14, AUG, Smith Bodyguard, Chiefs special, M12, 3913, Colt Officers and too many others to recall have been prohibited. So definitely NOT Fudd, but the farcical gun control we have today wasn't built overnight, and I don't believe it has any chance of disappearing overnight. Pretending we will all wake up one day and be able to sling an AR for the walk to work is simply dumb.
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My intent is not to call you a fudd or anything, but I am curious, why the part about semi-auto bolt carriers. We are currently allowed full auto carriers, same as the US, so would this not be a step back, even if given in trade for a step forward. Partly, I ask because as I see it the carrier makes little to no difference as to the possible full-auto capabilities of the rifle, machining and various other parts are still necessary (no?), it would be like a false martyr for antis. Hmmm, perhaps that was your reasoning.
Anyhow, FYI, I have a total love affair with the AR platform, threads praising it like this make me fell all warm and fuzzy inside.
Ar180shooter
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That is the question. Not only do the Canadian distributors not get the same kind of price breaks that big U.S. distributors get, not only does someone, somewhere have to put the time, effort and expense of importation in, but there are also increased costs of running a business in Canada, increased labour costs and a smaller market spread out over a much larger area. Suggesting that retailers are exploiting these factors to make windfall profits is really quite laughable. Nobody is getting rich off of retail firearms sales. It shows that you really have no idea what you're talking about. Markup on firearms is quite low, especially when compared to virtually any other retail product. The market is highly competitive and highly regulated. Rather than just looking to the U.S. (the country where the product is manufactured), look at Europe and the prices they pay for guns. We pay LESS than they do... much less in some cases. So you need to keep perspective and not just look at how cheap everything is in America. We're not in America, so get over it.
At the retailer level, that is largely true.
I will say though that in Canada, due to the intense regulation surrounding exportation from the US and firearms in general in Canada, there are relatively few direct importers of firearms. Most retailers are getting their firearms from a handful of distributors. These distributors, while I wouldn't say they are marking up things insanely, do not have much competition, and hence seem to charge more than they would otherwise. Once a new kid came on the block (IRunGuns) that was willing to undercut them all and still able to make money for themselves, the status quo changed in a hurry, even if it was short lived due to all the BS in the states.
Then look at what happened to the price of pmags when Questar and One Shot Tactical decided to compete on price with each other. Drastic price drops, and you can be sure they both made money.
More competition would help prices up here significantly.
andrew3081
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Considering that we can buy any barrel length upper without even having a firearm license, they will probably never ed-restrict Ar15.
