.17 Super Magnum

I think this round will do better than most think. I really don't understand how the 17HMR did so well but I do know that lots of people had to have them and do have them. Most shooters have to have the fastest newest and shiniest item out there. Why didn't those people just moved over to a 17 cal centrefire? Because reloaders are reloaders and those who just buy pre rolled buy pre rolled. This new round does offer more than the hmr and takes a components from a line of production that is already up and running and that line is probably pretty efficient to produce. Now they can take advantage of more 17 cal bullet production to lessen the cost of the projectile and couple that with the low cost of the casing and they have a product that should be able to be produced for cheap and sold for a premium as we see people already buying premium 17 cal rimfires.

I personally think it is more exciting than the hmr.
 
scott_r said:
Bring it out in a CZ 453 and as long as the cost is below loading for my .204 Id buy it.

Cheers!!
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Its not a gun for thrifty reloaders... it will never be cheaper than reloading Hornet or .223... therefore only a non-reloader or someone who doesn't care about the cost is going to get one... that ain't me... but it may be you and your brother (speaking to all).
 
the spank said:
That rifle looks more like a winchester 1885 hi-wall.
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It should, the High Wall and Low Wall Winchesters are identical except for the Low wall being cut down at the back to allow more clearance for loading small cartridges.
But you cannot see the breech block from the side view on a High Wall, other than a sliver of the top of it. Note that the top line of the one shown only goes half way back to the hammer. Now go look up some High Wall pictures. :)

The originals were engineered from the start to be able to provide the two different models from the same basic forgings. There were a couple other changes made that are less obvious unless you have both actions sitting in front of you, but they are based on the same basic design. Not certain that the 'new' ones follow the same principle, but they appear to.

Cheers
Trev
 
I can hardly wait. I live in a slug only zone and can't shoot centerfire during deer season. This may just extend my coyote hunting season by a few months. Thought the hmr would be ok, but had a few runners with good shot placement. Hopefully Winchester makes a bullet designed for Yotes with a little more penetration than the hmr. And i can take upland game with it at the same time. Who cares about price, you wanna plink, shoot a 22lr. When centerfire is not an option as in my situation, this is the cats a&@!
 
hoytcanon said:
Its not a gun for thrifty reloaders... it will never be cheaper than reloading Hornet or .223... therefore only a non-reloader or someone who doesn't care about the cost is going to get one... that ain't me... but it may be you and your brother (speaking to all).
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Eh..Im still a sucker for rimfires...I love em.

Cheers!!
 
hoytcanon said:
Its not a gun for thrifty reloaders... it will never be cheaper than reloading Hornet or .223... therefore only a non-reloader or someone who doesn't care about the cost is going to get one... that ain't me... but it may be you and your brother (speaking to all).
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Hoyt
Did you buy all of your reloading supplies in the 1970's, what do you figure it cost you to load 50 Hornet rounds or 50 223 rounds? FS
 
chuck hawks has a good review on this at ht tp://www.chuckhawks.com/17_super_mag_first_look.htm

"...The .17 Win Super Mag claims accuracy and trajectory adequate to reliably hit rodents at ranges beyond 200 yards. It claims 150% of the .17 HMR's downrange energy to ensure humane, one shot kills...."
 
When I was reloading for my 204 Ruger I figured it cost about $0.35 per round (after I obtained brass).

Using less powder the Hornet would be less money, but the real cost is in buying premium bullets. Sure you can cheap out on bullets but if we want to compare apples to apples it needs to be V-Max (or similar) projectiles.

I never really reloaded for budget reasons, it was always to improve accuracy. In fact it cost me much more cause I would drool over the Sinclair International website and then buy some new Forester or Redding equipment several times a year.

I loved reloading, had to, why else would a person anneal, flash hole deburr, neck-turn, chamfer, etc to 1000 pieces of 204 brass. Then to develop a pet load by Audette ladder testing and playing with seating depths, only to get a new barrel and have to start again.

Like I said, I love reloading but it will be nice to pick up a honest 200 yard gopher gun that more than likely closer to 1/2 MOA than 1 MOA (if it's anything like the HMR) right out of the box.


Back on the 17 WSM subject, it looks like Vokquartsen has committed to this new round so the boys who like thier semi-autos will have a option by a good company.
 
Fassteel said:
Hoyt
Did you buy all of your reloading supplies in the 1970's, what do you figure it cost you to load 50 Hornet rounds or 50 223 rounds? FS
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.223;

Hornady 55 gr Z-Max = $79.10 / 500 = 16 cents per round
Hodgdon Varget 1 pound = $33.90 / 300 (max load) = 11 cents per round
CCI SR Primers = $18 / 500 = 3.5 cents per round

Brass = free at range (I have over 2000 .223 brass that cost me zero $$$)

.223 = 30.5 cents per round when components ordered in SMALL quantities at current local prices... I order in bulk however and get components cheaper than above, hence the 28 cents per round quote.

My downloads for Hornets are even cheaper;

9 oz of Trail Boss will load 1300 rounds at 3 grains per... it goes a long, long way... powder cost is only 2 cents per round.

And shooting primer charged pellets as noted above is even cheaper and fun for plinking or grouse... brass life is indefinite, cost of the pellets are 3.5 cents per plus the primer at 3.5 cents per = 7 cents per shot... and you gotta try these cause they are fun! If you bought cheap bulk pellets your cost can go down to 1 cent per round... but I like the Beeman Silver Arrows for this.
 
surfclod said:
Back on the 17 WSM subject, it looks like Vokquartsen has committed to this new round so the boys who like thier semi-autos will have a option by a good company.
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For which rifles? With no other sources for magazines or semi-auto actions that look too be able to cycle the new round. Where exactly are these "options" coming from? Or did VQ say they were running with a solo project?

Cheers
Trev
 
Hopefully the 17 super magnum will come out as a 22 super magnum,,,offering better performance and better bullet design than the 22 magnum.
 
mgerski said:
I wish savage would make the same gun as the guy is testing but a savage bolt is good to.
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That looks like their Stevens Classic falling block. Interestingly, I just saw WSS drop it from their web store a couple years after they dropped the take-down model.

Edit: Either that, or the picture is of the Winchester
 
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I place an order for one of the B-Mag this morning.... 369$, delivery in July.... the salesman told me that there's very limited quantity... only 15 left available in Canada...

forgive my english.... i'm french...
 
I hope there here before july!I ordered ne 2 weeks ago from my dealer and REALLY wann LAY WITH THIS ONE!LMAO
Ifthis is true i mighthave to buy something else to play wth till i get it!oh my goodness,lol
 
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