30-30Win 110-125gr loads

Russ said:
The 30/30 is a great deer round but, at 250 yards it's running a little low on HP for my liking. It down to about 550 to 600fpe at that range. Sure it will kill a deer....but it might not do it quick. Most likely won't exit,making for a poor blood trail. Just my 2cents.

Russ...
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Well, no disregards to the OP, but that was what I was thinking about, so many other long range calibers available...Especially since he has a 270 on hands.
It will go there, it will kill, but better be safe than sorry.

My 5 cents (yeah, no more pennys, so it's rounded to 5 now ;))
 
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Russ said:
The 30/30 is a great deer round but, at 250 yards it's running a little low on HP for my liking. It down to about 550 to 600fpe at that range. Sure it will kill a deer....but it might not do it quick. Most likely won't exit,making for a poor blood trail. Just my 2cents.

Russ...
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In my example it took one staggering step then dropped like a bag of hammers and never to get up again.
It was facing me with his head up & 3/4's on, standing perfectly still. I aimed for the white throat patch and knew my high sight in at 100 yards (3inches high) would put that bullet right into the steamroom. One lung totally smashed up and the heart pulverised into jelly. Pieces of lead fragments peppered the first third of the tenderlions and had to be discarded.
Bullet struck two inches left of the very centre of the chest. I used to have the 77 grain remainder of the copper jacket. Lost it in one of my several moves.
 
Personally, if I felt confident enough to place a shot with a 110gr bullet at 250yds, I would feel just as confident to place a heavier bullet in the same spot.
 
I loaded a 30-30 to about 2550 fps with a 130gr TSX bullet. I'd shoot an elk or moose to about 200 yards with that. Deer at 250 wouldn't be an issue.
 
the JBM calculator shows a 110ttsx fb at 2600fps, to have a 8" PBR of 260yds, with a 230 yd zero. 1792 fps 784fpe remaining. I'd shoot a doe with that.

with 26" barrel, I'd also expect to get a bit more speed also.

the 130, at same speed has a 270yds PBR with 1952fps 1100fpe remaining.

noslers 125gr BT is a bit better yet.

and that is using 2600fps.

I SHOULD be able to reach nearly 2800fps from my 26" barrel, but that would be gravy, as 2600 gets me where I want to be with the Nosler/Barnes in 125/130gr.

at 2800fps, the Nosler has over 1/2T FPE remaining at 300yds. 267yd PBR 228yd zero for a 6" kill zone.

I'm thinking I need to find me some Noslers.

thanks guys for the help. It gave me some direction.

for the naysayers, would you counsel a 250-3000 shooter to not use it on deer? A 100gr bullet at 2800fps, which I understand is about max for the 250, is a near twin of the 30 cal above.

the reason I am looking into this is powder costs. near 1/2 the load.

I'm also looking into PaperPatching a 110-130gr cast slug for same. with these velocities, it should work very well, with a copper'd alloy.
 
Goldenlakepete said:
For anyone who's really interested in the .30-30 and the M94 in particular - Sam Fadala's book "Winchester's .30-30, Model 94" is a must read. He covers the history of the rifle and cartridge, tuning for accuracy, reloading and hunting etc. He also discusses the pro's of having the rifle rechambered for the Ackley Improved version (he has a 24" barreled Ackley improved custom M94).

He doesn't claim any great improvement in velocity for the AI version - just better case life. Mr. Fadala says he uses the same loads in his AI as he did in his "regular" .30-30.

He gives some good load and ballistic information:

125 gr bullet with 38 grs H335 from a 26" barrel = 2709 fps
130 gr bullet with 37 grs H335 from a 26" barrel = 2683 fps (this is a light load as the Lyman #47 lists a MAx of 39 grs with a 150 gr)
150 gr bullet with 38 grs H335 from a 26" barrel = 2636 fps

A 130 gr spitzer at @2680 fps still produces 1273 foot pounds of energy at 200 yds. 988 f-p at 300 yds
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I have read some of Fadala's stuff

he seems to think outside the box once in awhile.

I like those velocities, and have considered an AI, as it would be EASY to do.

I'd use 375brass for making up the rounds to get a perfect fit at the neck mouth. that way, I'd not have as much breech thrust.
 
Your comparison of the .30-30 to the .250-3000 is valid.

In the Sam Fadala book I mentioned above he says much the same about the comparison of the .30-30 to the .243. Although he was comparing the energy of a 165 gr spitzer starting at 2400 fps with 1456 foot pounds at 200 yds to that of the .243.
 
Pete, I understand the carrying power of the heavier bullet.

I'm trying to get my costs down some but I'll now have to look at the cost difference between the lighter vs heavier, and powder loads....

as I'm shooting a single shot, with 26" barrel, I do have some room to keep pressures a bit lower, and the velocities up.

but then there is the increased recoil....

hmmm.. somethings to think about.

Time to print out some comparisons.
 
wcat said:
Well, no disregards to the OP, but that was what I was thinking about, so many other long range calibers available...Especially since he has a 270 on hands.
It will go there, it will kill, but better be safe than sorry.

My 5 cents (yeah, no more pennys, so it's rounded to 5 now ;))
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Actually it rounds to the nearest 5 cents, so it would round down to zero
 
Hornady 3rd Edition for 110gr Round nose at muzzle velocity of 2700fps gives 503 foot pounds of energy at 250yrds.
The kinetic energy is almost half of what is required for a quick clean humane kill.
 
Just a follow up

I found some 125gr Noslers, 125 Speer HP's and some others

a 125gr nosler, according to JBM:

2700fps, gives a 230 PBR 4" zone, using a 2MOA calculation
(I ALWAYS use a 2MOA correction factor, as I don't hunt with less, and it gives a better real world view, as opposed to those who disregard accuracy and assume a 0" MOA..... fantasy)

So 230 yards, 4" zone, still doing over 2100fps and over 1200fpe

at 250 yds, could be up to 6" below LOS.

considering a deer is over 12", an aiming point on the top of the back drops the bullet into the chest/heart area out to 300 yds, with over 1900fps and 1100fpe remaining

the MAGIC 1000 fpe is crossed between 340 and 350 yds, with a drop of about 20" using the 2MOA rifle.

That's a little too much drop for me...

Now, if I use PACO's load data..... well....
 
What rifle handles that pressure and how do you know? Curious and I love my 30-30's. :)
nanuk said:
thanks for that yodave

that is the kind of info I'm looking for.

my rifles can handle a little higher pressure, but I'm only looking to stay within the limits.

I've got one on order that can handle 65000lbs, but it may be awhile for it to arrive.

I have read in the past some impressive velocities, but they run the pressure pretty high.
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