i dont mean any disrespect. but how is it that there is no government web sites that supports your argument? have they only contacted you? another side topic how would this effect lvl4 body armour from other countries that dont use the lvl2 to lvl4 rating system?
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i dont mean any disrespect. but how is it that there is no government web sites that supports your argument? have they only contacted you? another side topic how would this effect lvl4 body armour from other countries that dont use the lvl2 to lvl4 rating system?
The manufacture I deal with was the first to contact me as Controlled goods made them register the Lvl 3 and Lvl 4 plates they make. In turn I had to contact them to arrange everything on my end.
There is a website, I posted the link to it. The Controlled goods rules are based on the ECL which is based on ITAR. ITAR exempts Lvl II, IIA and IIIA, there is no exemption for Lvl 3 and 4. This is right from the inspectors and the Controlled Goods people.
There is a website, I posted the link to it. The Controlled goods rules are based on the ECL which is based on ITAR. ITAR exempts Lvl II, IIA and IIIA, there is no exemption for Lvl 3 and 4. This is right from the inspectors and the Controlled Goods people.
im sorry chemist i cant see a link any were? i have read official government websites that state they are controlled items with the exemption of a valid pal? i have seen no update to this law in writing. are you sure they are not busting your balls for selling to just anyone with out a pal? anyhow i dont mean to ruffle your feathers its just that ive been trying to find out if this rumour is in fact true and you seem to be the only one who has ever heard of this behind the scenes new government movement?
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ANT-FOR-ALL!&p=8229551&viewfull=1#post8229551
This is federal, so it overrides any provincial laws. The provincial laws that you have found and read still apply and are good for Level I, 2, 2A and 3A which are not controlled goods under the act.
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D.
ok maybe its different for out of BC but here is a link stating that a valid pal is one of the exemptions http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/securityindustry/body-armour/index.htm#possession
Who May Possess Body Armour WITHOUT a Permit
Individuals exempt from requiring a permit to possess body armour while performing the job on which the exemption is granted are:
Those who have a valid B.C. security worker licence authorizing them to provide the services of an armoured car guard, a private investigator, a security consultant, a security guard and / or a body armour salesperson.
Peace officers, sheriffs, corrections officers and conservation officers.
Those employed by the government if wearing body armour is required or allowed in the course of the person's employment.
Security guards registered as a gaming worker under the Gaming Control Act.
Individuals who possess a valid firearms licence issued under the Firearms Act (Canada).
Who May Possess Body Armour WITHOUT a Permit
Individuals exempt from requiring a permit to possess body armour while performing the job on which the exemption is granted are:
Those who have a valid B.C. security worker licence authorizing them to provide the services of an armoured car guard, a private investigator, a security consultant, a security guard and / or a body armour salesperson.
Peace officers, sheriffs, corrections officers and conservation officers.
Those employed by the government if wearing body armour is required or allowed in the course of the person's employment.
Security guards registered as a gaming worker under the Gaming Control Act.
Individuals who possess a valid firearms licence issued under the Firearms Act (Canada).
http://ssi-iss.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/dmc-cgd/apropos-about/legislation-eng.html
Exemptions etc exist when you read more/speak to them but not for Lvl 3 and 4. I'll post more after I speak with them next.
As to busting my balls, I always had a PAL requirement for purchasing body armour. This didn't start with me, it started with the company that makes my Lvl 3 and 4 plates. Controlled goods contacted them.
Exemptions etc exist when you read more/speak to them but not for Lvl 3 and 4. I'll post more after I speak with them next.
As to busting my balls, I always had a PAL requirement for purchasing body armour. This didn't start with me, it started with the company that makes my Lvl 3 and 4 plates. Controlled goods contacted them.
i dont see any written change from the first time i read these acts moths ago but i must admit that the government does read it the way they feel fit. even if they are the same words.
That's a provincial regulation. BC could pass a regulation saying people with 6 toes and red hair can have full auto firearms. Federal law already says you can't so it really doesn't matter what the provincial regs say. In general a provincial law can further restrict a federal law, it can't reduce or negate its intent. I think I heard that in a law class once upon a time.
oh no
thats why im pulling your teeth. please keep us updated im going to go cry myself to sleep now. if i can sleep after this.
I once stayed at a Holiday Inn, and I can tell you that this man speaks the truth.
I'd like to hear how that upcoming call goes, I'm in the market for some armor after all.
Wow, this whole thread it depressing. What will they take from us next? If agents of the government are able to buy their own Level 4 vests for personal use, then this is complete $hit. Why should they deserve any more protection for use at a shooting range? Last time I checked, people shoot rifles at gun ranges, not just pistols......
What busts my gunnutz is how vague it is:
"All items under Group 2 (item 2-1 to 2-22):
These items are munitions specifically designed or modified for military use (my text coloration) such as:
•Weapons and ammunitions (machine guns & anti-tank weapons);
•Bombs, torpedoes, mines and missiles;
•Warning systems;
•Military vehicles (tanks), vessels (submarines) and combat aircraft;
•Chemical, biological and radioactive material which is used in war; and
•Protective equipment (armoured plate and body armour)."
And how in the h#ll did they classify protective equipment as munitions?
My interpretation, of which is certainly not the court's or ISS's, is that anything soft, semi-soft or semi-rigid (due to design for civilian, guard, security and LEO use) should NOT be controlled under these rules, but that completely rigid metal and/or composite (designed for military use) will be.... even if I don't agree with it.
I'm getting tired of being regulated out of my rights, happiness, security and ability to live safety.....
What busts my gunnutz is how vague it is:
"All items under Group 2 (item 2-1 to 2-22):
These items are munitions specifically designed or modified for military use (my text coloration) such as:
•Weapons and ammunitions (machine guns & anti-tank weapons);
•Bombs, torpedoes, mines and missiles;
•Warning systems;
•Military vehicles (tanks), vessels (submarines) and combat aircraft;
•Chemical, biological and radioactive material which is used in war; and
•Protective equipment (armoured plate and body armour)."
And how in the h#ll did they classify protective equipment as munitions?
My interpretation, of which is certainly not the court's or ISS's, is that anything soft, semi-soft or semi-rigid (due to design for civilian, guard, security and LEO use) should NOT be controlled under these rules, but that completely rigid metal and/or composite (designed for military use) will be.... even if I don't agree with it.
I'm getting tired of being regulated out of my rights, happiness, security and ability to live safety.....
This document is about exporting stuff... not owning stuff.
There might be other documents around that define who can legally own body armor and that is what this thread is about.
What we really need to know is the name and article number of the federal law/regulation that says anything about ownership/use of body armor by citizens.
Don't you agree?
i think Chemist may have the answer for us today? i hope this is all just government harassment?
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