Another Remington 870 issue

[3macs1]

So, you're telling me you 'know they did'. Then you go on to say: "Even if they did use the same material which they didnot show me one express bolt that has been hard chrome plated to reduce wear and improve operation".

What is it. You Know, Or you Don't....?

Obviously the express isn't chrome plated. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Maybe you missed my point, So let me go over it one more time. (Don't read into this here... I'm not female, and I'm not playing head games. I'm having a conversation.)

I highly doubt Remington redesigned the Bolt assembly for the 870 Express. [The Bolt, and parts that come out with it when removed.]
If they DID redesign it, They would have mentioned it in the description of the product as a sales pitch and it would probably would have been sold under a different model name.

What they probably did for the Express is just that. Express/Expedited the manufacturing process, and skipped the plating and internal polishing to make what we know as the 'Wingmaster' resulting in a rough around the edges kind of shotgun that more people were willing to pay the $ for.

So, What I'm saying is.. They took a proven design, and just didn't put as much work/polishing into it, and it still functions identical to the Wingmaster but just not as smoothly.

BTW, I'd love to go out and buy a Wingmaster but I don't have the cash for it. My Express does Juuuust fine.

As I said before, There is nothing wrong with Cast parts.. My Express bolt looks IDENTICAL to the ones you posted.

When the express was introduced in 1987 or around that time, they were indeed a less refined version of a wingmaster with similiar parts and the cost savings were directly the result of a reduction in fit hours spent and finishes used. However as time went on other design changes such as plastic trigger guards, followers, cast parts, etc were incorporated to save more pennies. This was taken to the extent they even installed a cast extractor but they didnot change the grade of steel in the bolt a major saving??. Think about that or Tell the customer?? that you are reducing the quality of components.
Any how I know what I have seen from working on them over the years and some breech bolts for sure were a casting.Don't work on new ones now so not sure what is supplied today.
It is unfortunate you cannot afford a true vintage 870 wingmaster they are one hell of a gun, but with being on a fixed income myself I fully understand. I was lucky and bought my 1st one in the mid 60's, it was a 16ga and I have it to this day with some more in all gauges . Like I said earlier I love all 870's but you know I also wish they would have dropped the 870 label on the express version when introduced and called it something different. It would have saved a lot of remington and 870 bashing over the years on a gun that is a true legend in wingmaster format. In the end to each their own which is why I just own one express and that is because it is a 28ga which I collect all makes/models of just like I collect vintage 870 wingmasters..

Take care

 

[Soulfly]

You know what? In 1987, when it was introduced.. I'm sure there might have been a difference in materials used.
But in the world today, with all the technology and whatnot we have, I highly doubt the bolts would be constructed of different base materials.
To do more engineering and research to find another suitable material for something that's already been proven in it's design and material, solely for the purpose of cost savings, is beyond me.

Anyway, The discussion was fun. But obviously we're not seeing eye to eye about this topic.

Maybe there are a few lemon 870's out there, but I can tell you that the one I have functions excellent and is still a very good piece of craftsmanship. I would, and I do, recommend it to anyone looking to buy their first shotgun as it is an excellent starter gun without breaking the bank.

 

[3macs1]

You know what? In 1987, when it was introduced.. I'm sure there might have been a difference in materials used.
But in the world today, with all the technology and whatnot we have, I highly doubt the bolts would be constructed of different base materials.
To do more engineering and research to find another suitable material for something that's already been proven in it's design and material, solely for the purpose of cost savings, is beyond me.

Anyway, The discussion was fun. But obviously we're not seeing eye to eye about this topic.

Maybe there are a few lemon 870's out there, but I can tell you that the one I have functions excellent and is still a very good piece of craftsmanship. I would, and I do, recommend it to anyone looking to buy their first shotgun as it is an excellent starter gun without breaking the bank.

Nothing wrong with not seeing eye to eye. Imagine how boring the world would be if we all did.
As is nothing wrong with an express if that is what your budget will allow. If it had to be a remington I also would recommend them to a new shooter but suggest if buying used try to find one before the change to the plastic trigger housing. Those guns gave almost no issues after that it is hit and miss some are fine others you will have to rework just to get them to function properly in 12ga.Other gauges seem to be fine. If not and this is a rem guy saying it a mossberg pump today I feel is a better option.
If you shoot a lot of rounds and someday get an opportunity to pick up a vintage wingmaster reasonable grab it and stick your express rem choked barrel on it and it will do you a life time..
All the best