Wow Ardent. Perhaps we should just leave our discussion alone until I take my video. You obviously have your panties in a bunch for some reason. I'm as imperfect as the next guy and never claimed to be able to match the feat every single time I went shooting. I believe I said that I did it a couple of times. Generally my groups would be between 3-4". Perhaps you read a little too much into what I was saying. We can all settle down because I know for a fact that there are better shooters than I.
Deer Hunting: Headshots
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Ardent
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No bunched panties, just bemusement at the claims (7 rounds into 2" off hand, with lever gun, muzzle loader can match the feat) and I eagerly await your results. If the video is done with no edits, and you shoot well, how much do you want to bet you end up with 6"? 
Again, good luck and hope you can do it. You'd be a shooting hero on youtube / online. I'll be very impressed if you put the 7 rounds into 3-4", so lets even set that as the threshold.
Again, good luck and hope you can do it. You'd be a shooting hero on youtube / online. I'll be very impressed if you put the 7 rounds into 3-4", so lets even set that as the threshold.
No bunched panties, just bemusement at the claims (7 rounds into 2" off hand, with lever gun, muzzle loader can match the feat) and I eagerly await your results. If the video is done with no edits, and you shoot well, how much do you want to bet you end up with 6"?
I'm with Ardent on this one. Let's see a few of these wonderful groups.
Eagleye.
There were no outrageous claims that I am the best shooter that ever lived. But I know for a fact that 6" offhand at 100 yards is not difficult. 3-4" is the norm. Stop blowing things out of proportion.
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Looks like we need another challenge thread!!!!!
MY lever/SKS shoots 3" groups all day long............................OFF HAND!!!!!!
Not saying what I can and cannot do but I do know when something is starting to have a odor!
MY lever/SKS shoots 3" groups all day long............................OFF HAND!!!!!!
Not saying what I can and cannot do but I do know when something is starting to have a odor!
antiqueguy
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hey all im saying is off hand i can hit a pop can bottom consisently with the sks let the weather wearm up and the wind die down and i'll see what i can do for a vid
PS my loads are not a normal load cases and bullets are sorted by weight and powder is well trickled so its bang on every time heck its like loading a match load
PS my loads are not a normal load cases and bullets are sorted by weight and powder is well trickled so its bang on every time heck its like loading a match load
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Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
As a field shooter and hunter of modest experience, with a bit of competitive shooting tossed in, yes, it is far out of the norm. If you even put your Marlin's 7 rounds into that you sir are a shooting Rock Star. You ought to pick up a target rifle and march straight to the Nationals, as those numbers are available online, read the scores and learn how they're tallied- your claims will start to look pretty damn incredible.
The side I'm arguing has number on its side, yours has claims, so far, but I hold out hope you can make them real as that would be truly incredible. Good luck stuckon308, hope antiqueguy joins the challenge too with his 1" rested 2" offhand SKS.Doesn't CGN have a thread like this every winter? IIRC the last one involved one guy going on about how he went for head shots in excess of 800m, but knew neither the exact range, nor even an approximation of the comeups.
In these cases, I have to assume all headshots are made into the eyeball, and the impact is only when the eyelids are open to avoid damaging the succulent eyelid meat.
Or ones that only ever practise off a bench, and do piles of "load development" only to have no idea how they shoot from field positions once the season starts.
In these cases, I have to assume all headshots are made into the eyeball, and the impact is only when the eyelids are open to avoid damaging the succulent eyelid meat.
Or ones that only ever practise off a bench, and do piles of "load development" only to have no idea how they shoot from field positions once the season starts.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
To be fair, I don't believe these guys are outright liars. I do believe they are quite confused as to how hard it would be to shoot a 2" offhand group, or even a 3-4", of 7 rounds in one case, with firearms not known for great accuracy. I think this comes from, as antiqueguy mentions, casual shooting where you will connect with surprising regularity on targets like popcans, and you feel you can therefore manage a group within say the 2" claimed. The reality when you start punching paper in competition or casually, is much, much different. You start to see hitting a target enough to make the range time enjoyable and tight offhand groups at range are completely different things.
A year and change ago I shot a small water bottle laid on an airstrip at 165 lasered yards to impress a professional hunter (guide) my last time in Africa with my iron sighted .375. It almost gave me the feeling I could probably shoot a group out there quite respectably as it didn't feel that hard. The reality back home was yes, I could put a bullet in a 6"x2.5" target fairly regularly out there, but the actual groups were not near what I would have hoped for. Those miss rounds open them HUGELY. I myself had a Marlin I felt as if I could hit anything with; group it and reality strikes.
A year and change ago I shot a small water bottle laid on an airstrip at 165 lasered yards to impress a professional hunter (guide) my last time in Africa with my iron sighted .375. It almost gave me the feeling I could probably shoot a group out there quite respectably as it didn't feel that hard. The reality back home was yes, I could put a bullet in a 6"x2.5" target fairly regularly out there, but the actual groups were not near what I would have hoped for. Those miss rounds open them HUGELY. I myself had a Marlin I felt as if I could hit anything with; group it and reality strikes.
Yes, I agree with that. Often occurs with the whole "all day long if I do my part"-type claims. Not too hard to get 3 really really tight if you shoot enough, but to shoot a statistically significant number of shots into a group is a whole different matter.
I'm going with Ardent on this one - 2"-3" groups offhand at 100yds with an SKS is not the "norm". It takes a good man with a rifle that he has considerable practise with to consistantly hit a 6" plate at 100 yds offhand, and anyone who claims different has maybe not ever actually tried it for themselves. Does the OP understand what "offhand" means? It means standing, no rest.
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Well if someone could do that as they say...........
You would be hitting every silhouette and winning EVERY silhouette competition you entered.
Translates into 10"-15" groups at 500 and 20"-30" @ 1000. That would be military sniper qualifying , and they use rests!!!!
Maybe he can do it.
You would be hitting every silhouette and winning EVERY silhouette competition you entered.
Translates into 10"-15" groups at 500 and 20"-30" @ 1000. That would be military sniper qualifying , and they use rests!!!!
Maybe he can do it.
I can do 5 1" 1 shot groups all day with my sks, offhand, prone, even drinking. We use apples for targets, and shoot the bees they attract. I always aim for the bees head, so I don't spoil the wing meat. Hornets usually take two shots to drop them, unless we use soft points for better expansion, but I once had to finish one off with a hatchet when he started fluttering as I approached to field dress him. The memory haunts me.
Well, I was hitting nosee'ums with the old Schultzy on the fly, but
no one believed me.
They were wartch'in, but couldn't see chit.
Didja see that one?
No.
How 'bout now?
No.
Put yer speck's on dang it....
I just gave up.
no one believed me.
They were wartch'in, but couldn't see chit.
Didja see that one?
No.
How 'bout now?
No.
Put yer speck's on dang it....
I just gave up.
Thanks for bringing the topic up. I have won every class of EVERY silhouette match that i have shot in over a six year period, and it's not by chance that i don't mind headshots. I will leave the ass, gut and leg shots to those that are doing the best they can with what they have.
