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Sounds exactly like what has been happening in the Canadian Car, Tractor, heavy equipment business for years. Buy low in Canada and ship south or overseas if warrented.
 
superbee said:
Jos salter should at least try and sell things first in canada.If it dosent sell in 2-3 months he can ship it south.
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Your certainly right there. I've seen far too many items that are obviously Canadian or came from Canada being sold on his US site. A lot of good militiaria is being lost to Canada because he can make a better dollar selling it statewide.

I personally refuse to deal with him for that reason. I would recommend that everyone else do likewise.
 
the big reason they sell to dealers is they are on there way out or have all ready left. and its the easiest way to deal with all of an estate at once.
instead of being nickelled to death on here by a-holes and tire kickers.
 
I have never been to an auction and I certainly do not desire to sell arms through them. In my opinion, it is another method of perverse profiteering in this capitalistic dystopia we have wound ourselves into, at the gracious behest of our government. I do 99% of my selling here on CGN, I am fair and don't try to scalp my fellow man for his hard earned dollar! We are all in it to help history live on, and as such, I prefer to buy from personal owners, rather than a store that charges tax. I do not point fingers at the store which charges tax, but at the government that demands it.
Let us all work together, for a better, and brighter milsurp future where we are a network of individual barterers who share history amongst ourselves!
Ah, good thing the Cold War is over, or I'd be called a Commie!
Just my 2 Nickles (pennies are worthless anyways)
 
I attended one of the Landesdown auctions.....once. The prices blew me away. I had a list of twenty or so guns that I had chosen and jotted my absolute max price that I would bid up to. I almost crapped when a stainless Ruger Old Army I wanted went for $800. I see them at gun shows in the 5+ range and I believe a beauty just sold last year at TradeEx for around $375! These auctioneers are sittin' fat.
 
Money talks, that's for sure. We have lost out on alot of 12(6) pieces over the years from people selling them across the border. Buying them "cheap' here because many in Canada do not hold the desireable prohibitive classification, then selling them in the US where the market is stronger, much stronger. I'm not totally against this, people need to make a living somehow. But it's a fact alot of nice bringbacks have left the country, never again to return. Talking about Lugers, PP Ppk, ect here!
 
if you guys want to have a good cry, you should watch delta-niner on ebay, he will be selling a huge Canadian estate . maybe you will even put the money out, instead of just mouthing off.
 
gaff said:
if you guys want to have a good cry, you should watch delta-niner on ebay, he will be selling a huge Canadian estate . maybe you will even put the money out, instead of just mouthing off.
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I think you're confused, the problem is firearms are getting export stamped and therefore loose originality because greedy sellers are taking them off of our market for extra profit. And dealers taking large cuts when sellers could just sell between collectors instead.

Since militaria and non gun items can go freely across the border without being vandalized, it's not really the same problem.

I don't think anyone has a problem with Canadian estate items being sold on e-bay. For such items, it might be a better venue than CGN.

-Steve
 
there is more than $1,000,000.00 in this estate, most high end war trophies, German and Japanese .I seen this stuff 10 years ago and still can't believe one fellow could collect so much. most of it will never be seen in Canada again. the rifles ,handguns, mg's ,swords, most likely gong south. there was more than 20 luger carbines,do you think they will be staying in Canada?
 
As a professional auctioneer, that is not in the business of selling firearms, I would like to address the auctioneer sitting fat comment. Auction staff are mostly part time help. To get help that is knowledgeable, you have to pay them a premium for the sporadic nature of the work available. If you don't compensate them well you get staff that customers complain are stupid or unhelpful.
Next is the facility rental. If you are in a building all the time there is constant rent, if you are an occasional auction you have to pay the premium for occasional use facilities. Next is the advertising. Good advertising is expensive. Forums such as these and like minded forums are available, but hosting your own site, or taking adequate pictures/providing accurate information is a huge investment in time. If you do it poorly, people won't come to bid. Bid callers come in all shapes sizes and specialties. If you are skilled at your trade, you deserve to be compensated for it. Next time you feel the need to complain about the buy/sell fees, count the people that are helping you or those around you. The hourly cost of actually running the auction, plus the cost of the preparation, plus the time between auctions. Now the direct marketing data base is what the seller is really paying for. Having a list of qualified buyers is the biggest factor in choosing an auction company for the commodity you are selling. I hope that puts a little perspective on it. When I started there were never any buyers' premiums. The increased cost of print advertising, and hall rental/real estate has caused auctioneers to add them.

This wasn't meant as a rant, but rather a defense of an industry that has treated me well over the years. Auction, the only method of marketing that allows a vendor to achieve more than their initial asking price.
 
I think Steve is right in his views and thoughts about Canada losing unmarked historic collectables to the US that will never return. Also it would be nice to see more of the firearms that are offered at crazy prices at the mentioned sellers being listed on the EE at more reasonable prices that allow more of us to keep them in Canada.
 
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As a professional auctioneer, that is not in the business of selling firearms, I would like to address the auctioneer sitting fat comment. Auction staff are mostly part time help. To get help that is knowledgeable, you have to pay them a premium for the sporadic nature of the work available. If you don't compensate them well you get staff that customers complain are stupid or unhelpful.
Next is the facility rental. If you are in a building all the time there is constant rent, if you are an occasional auction you have to pay the premium for occasional use facilities. Next is the advertising. Good advertising is expensive. Forums such as these and like minded forums are available, but hosting your own site, or taking adequate pictures/providing accurate information is a huge investment in time. If you do it poorly, people won't come to bid. Bid callers come in all shapes sizes and specialties. If you are skilled at your trade, you deserve to be compensated for it. Next time you feel the need to complain about the buy/sell fees, count the people that are helping you or those around you. The hourly cost of actually running the auction, plus the cost of the preparation, plus the time between auctions. Now the direct marketing data base is what the seller is really paying for. Having a list of qualified buyers is the biggest factor in choosing an auction company for the commodity you are selling. I hope that puts a little perspective on it. When I started there were never any buyers' premiums. The increased cost of print advertising, and hall rental/real estate has caused auctioneers to add them.

This wasn't meant as a rant, but rather a defense of an industry that has treated me well over the years. Auction, the only method of marketing that allows a vendor to achieve more than their initial asking price.
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I understand why auctioneers charge these fees, I get running an auction house is not cheap, but I'm wondering what advantage do firearms auctioneers offer us over simply selling here on the EE?

How can a firearms auction possibly have a better direct market base than here on CGN? And after the auction house fees, is it really worth the small premium the seller *might* make at an auction house?

-Steve
 
NZClaybuster said:
As a professional auctioneer, that is not in the business of selling firearms, I would like to address the auctioneer sitting fat comment. Auction staff are mostly part time help. To get help that is knowledgeable, you have to pay them a premium for the sporadic nature of the work available. If you don't compensate them well you get staff that customers complain are stupid or unhelpful.
Next is the facility rental. If you are in a building all the time there is constant rent, if you are an occasional auction you have to pay the premium for occasional use facilities. Next is the advertising. Good advertising is expensive. Forums such as these and like minded forums are available, but hosting your own site, or taking adequate pictures/providing accurate information is a huge investment in time. If you do it poorly, people won't come to bid. Bid callers come in all shapes sizes and specialties. If you are skilled at your trade, you deserve to be compensated for it. Next time you feel the need to complain about the buy/sell fees, count the people that are helping you or those around you. The hourly cost of actually running the auction, plus the cost of the preparation, plus the time between auctions. Now the direct marketing data base is what the seller is really paying for. Having a list of qualified buyers is the biggest factor in choosing an auction company for the commodity you are selling. I hope that puts a little perspective on it. When I started there were never any buyers' premiums. The increased cost of print advertising, and hall rental/real estate has caused auctioneers to add them.

This wasn't meant as a rant, but rather a defense of an industry that has treated me well over the years. Auction, the only method of marketing that allows a vendor to achieve more than their initial asking price.
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Not looking to pi$$ on the non-gun auction industry. Just a personal observation of a large (1200+ lots) consisting of mainly firearms that sold at what most would call stupidly inflated prices. Skim a minimum of 25% off the top and hand that to the auctioneer.....I pretty sure operation costs were covered pretty darn quickly. Staff working regular shop hours to catalogue and one sunday spent selling. Plus, in the Landesdowne case half the employees are family I believe. Hey good on'em for raking it in. I'm just not going to be one of the sheep in the crowd.
 
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