My factory hunting rifle shoots between .5"-.75" all day! Really? Prove it!

I tried. I failed. I seated my bullets .010" deeper to see if I could get rid of my 2+1 type groups I was shooting. It worked. But I still had one group that messed it up for me, I knew it when I pulled the trigger. Just a reminder, I am shooting a Tikka T3 lite 30/06 with Berger 185gr vld hunting. My groups were:
.275"
.243" (smallest)
1.125" (@#&¥)
.698"
.565"

.581" average.

Well I guess I will load up some more and try again next week. I WILL DO THIS!!!!

gets a little frustrating: I was at the range a couple days ago and forgot my leather rabbit ear bag. Tried one group off my improvised rest: It definately qualified for the "hit the broad side of a barn" challenge or at least the "pigeon on the broad side of the barn" challenge. I WILL KEEP TRYING! ;)
 
Shooting 3 shot groups feels a bit like cheating with this rifle...but I have no pride...so here is my second "hunting rifle" to meet the challenge. Groups shot today, Feb 25 at 100M. Have not shot this rifle for several years, and have never shot Bergers before today, so thought I'd do some load testing while taking the challenge. Two groups on right are with 43.0 gr H4350 then center group with 43.3, then two on the left with 43.6grs which was giving me a bit of stiff bolt lift.
EDIT: Group sizes AVERAGE: 0.384 SMALLEST GROUP(S): 0.256
.423
.611 Rifle is Cooper Model 22 in 260 Rem. Waited for 10 months for this rifle back in the day!
.256 Stock is exceptional for their standard issue.
.256
.372
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Rifle is Cooper Model 22 in 260 Rem..naked weight is approx 7.5lbs
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Great shooting JEC!!! Coopers will ALWAYS do their share of the work.............glad you did your share as well!!!
 
Please

I think I have sent a private message to almost everyone who has attempted the three challenges asking them to add the required info to their post. Could everyone please make sure you have all the required info before you post it! And try to put all your info into just ONE post. You are able to edit your post if you forgot anything. So remember, before you post you read all the requirements in the original post. Thanks Rod
 
Not gonna prove anything but I will tell you that my Kimber 84M in .22-250 just smoked this thread, .3 to .7 all damn day, not even funny - boring.

So will everyone elses rifle on the internet. Which is why I started this thread. To separate the talkers from the doers. Are you a talker or a doer?
 
I tried this today before thoroughly reading the rules. I thought I was going for <.75" avg. I have done this before with this gun with 5 consecutive 3 shot groups going under .75 (.6 iirc) but i just tried really quick today. The two big groups are with the bipod attached which I forgot opens the groups up a bit. The gun is a savage 16flss totally stock, no accustock no bedding. It has always been a tackdriver. Chambered in 22-250, its fav load is 33.5gr IMR4895 w 55g blitzkings and br2 primers. I didn't make the cut today but I will next time. I would guess that the lifetime avg groups of this rifle would be right around .75. It just shoots everything well from 40gr to 63.
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I measure groups slightly different by measuring a single hole and subtracting that measurement from the total outside spread. Thats why I subtract .213 rather than .224. Sorry that the measurement of the smallest group on the lower right doesn't show but it was .240 or something like that. The group above that was from my 30-06.
1.188
1.113
.707
.543
.240
avg=.757"
 
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I hope shooters continue to be "challenged" in this thread. Curious how some of the early critic's that offered "expert" opinion implying how real hunters shoot sporter rifles, have not shown up with their proof pictures. Surely these guys are not waiting for summer-like conditions? IMO the bottom line here is that good results depend on a capable rifle, good reloading technique, and better than average ability to "hold" (which requires a bit of eye-hand coordination and lots of practice). To often, those who snear at bench shooters, fail to realize that the whole shooting package is relative...the reality being that the shooter that can kick butt off bags, will in all probabilty, also kick butt off the hood of a truck down some lease road:)
 
I hope shooters continue to be "challenged" in this thread. Curious how some of the early critic's that offered "expert" opinion implying how real hunters shoot sporter rifles, have not shown up with their proof pictures. Surely these guys are not waiting for summer-like conditions? IMO the bottom line here is that good results depend on a capable rifle, good reloading technique, and better than average ability to "hold" (which requires a bit of eye-hand coordination and lots of practice). To often, those who snear at bench shooters, fail to realize that the whole shooting package is relative...the reality being that the shooter that can kick butt off bags, will in all probabilty, also kick butt off the hood of a truck down some lease road:)

While I have yet to post any pictures in any of the threads, I beg to differ sir.......

Not with the part of your post where you slag fellas like me who wait for nicer weather, but the part about "the shooter who can kick butt off bags, will in all probability, also kick butt off the hood of the truck down some lease road".

Every year one of the local clubs has a centre fire rifle comp. winner gets a plaque at the annual banquet. Rules are; 6x scope, hunting calibre (so no .223). 5 shots from the bench, standing and kneeling.

Generally I finish fairly well, my personal best is 3rd overall. I almost always get the best scores off the bench, bottom 10% standing and in the middle kneeling........

The same is true for myself and all my hunting buddies. I am by far the best off the bench and by far the worst in any field position. In any case my freezer always has meat in it once the season is over, so I am not a "poor" shot IMHO. Unfortunately I am a poorer hunter than I am a shooter ;)

That said I do plan on shooting the challenge later this week, the weather has finally evened out enough to try.

It has either been colder than heck or winds have been in the 40k range, neither of which is conducive to good bench shooting......
 
I hope shooters continue to be "challenged" in this thread. Curious how some of the early critic's that offered "expert" opinion implying how real hunters shoot sporter rifles, have not shown up with their proof pictures. Surely these guys are not waiting for summer-like conditions? IMO the bottom line here is that good results depend on a capable rifle, good reloading technique, and better than average ability to "hold" (which requires a bit of eye-hand coordination and lots of practice). To often, those who snear at bench shooters, fail to realize that the whole shooting package is relative...the reality being that the shooter that can kick butt off bags, will in all probabilty, also kick butt off the hood of a truck down some lease road:)
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I think most don't frequent rifle ranges and just flap off at the lips. It's most easy to talk the talk in front of a computer screen.
 
Notsorichguy,
Your not on the same page as pertaining the title of this thread. It's about the integrity of the firearm and it's owner/shooter, and to prove to others.
 
Notsorichguy,
Your not on the same page as pertaining the title of this thread. It's about the integrity of the firearm and it's owner/shooter, and to prove to others.

Oh I get it.

It's not ALL about the rifle, it's at least 50% the goon behind the trigger......

Give me the most accurate rifle in the world and I can produce at least 3 guys that will shoot 5" @ 100y with it from a bench! And they are some of my best friends!
 
While I have yet to post any pictures in any of the threads, I beg to differ sir.......

Not with the part of your post where you slag fellas like me who wait for nicer weather, but the part about "the shooter who can kick butt off bags, will in all probability, also kick butt off the hood of the truck down some lease road"

It has either been colder than heck or winds have been in the 40k range, neither of which is conducive to good bench shooting......
"Slag" is perhaps a bit more reaction than I intended ...I consider my tongue-in-cheek comment more of a "return sneer" to a few of the early posters who appeared to be suggesting that bench postions for factory hunting rifles were not really indicative of accuracy or ability...but have themselves not been posting successfull groups.
Regardless of what postion used to shoot, the guys that practice are likely to be among the best.
Wishing you the best for the weekend, and remember, THE WIND BLOWS 'EM TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE GROUP AS OFTEN AS IT BLOWS 'EM OUT.
 
Well I finally put aside an entire day to do this....... I was told I had to take the holidays I had left over from 2011, so I booked some time off before they expired......

Of the 50 ish long guns I have I chose 4 that were more or less ready to go. By that I mean there was a combination of known accurate loads made up, scopes zeroed and I felt that they met the “requirements” of the test..... Well almost..... I’ll let the “jury” decide if my guns/groups qualify.... 2 of the rifles utilized factory shells, one of which may surprise you!

The wind was a bit gusty, from 10 to 20ish.

I was planning on arriving at the shootin spot at first light, get set-up etc and get this done by lunch-early afternoon....... This is not a CFO approved range, it is exactly that a “shootin spot”. Everyone and their dog shoots here. Last I was out I noticed that the target boards were completly covered in snow so I brought some with me. My plan was to pull in stop in the middle (the approach comes in at the middle of the range) unload the target stand, carry it to the end of the range, then pull up to the shooting bench (so the truck could be right there) and then walk the range back and forth........ Not to be.

I got stuck.......

Proper stuck.......

2 hours with a shovel stuck...... And I still had to call a buddy to come pull me out!

Needless to say I didn’t get shooting till noon........

And what a crap load of walking!

First up;
Browning X-Bolt in .223 Remington. My one and only centrefire Browning rifle. After buying this one I figure I should look at buying some more. I purchased this in 2012. Leupold 3-9x40 VX-II rifle scope.

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Groups
.495
.451
.442
.320
.312

Avg. .404

In full disclosure, when cold the first shot is usually high about ¾”. The 5th shot is usually a half inch low from 4 to 9 o’clock....... This is why you won’t see this rifle in the Precision rifles thread of this nature......

Second;
Winchester Model 70 in 30-06. My only Centerfire Winchester as well. I purchased this at a gun show about 2 yrs ago. It is early 80’s manufacture. As an interesting side note, it was originally ordered by the Saskatchewan government for their conservation officers. They ordered 250 if my info is correct. From a retired fish cop I know this rifle was “as issued” when I received it. I added the scope mount to the factory mounting holes and mounted a scope. There is no bedding, the trigger is factory Winchester, the barrel is 19” long and is somewhere between a sporter contour and a varmint contour..... Rifle is wearing leupold rings and a Redfield 4-12x40 scope.

For some reason this is the only rifle I took a picture where you can see the entire range.....

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Largest group is a squeeker..... Fracking wind!

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Group size;
.998
.837
.736
.717
.366
Avg. .731

This is probably the most accurate “factory” Winchester I have ever owned......

Third Rifle;

Remington Model 700 243 Win. Rifle is wearing a Redfield 4-12x40 in Leupold rings. I have had this rifle forever....... Literally. My Dad bought it in ’71, I shot my first deer, coyote, porcupine, skunk, etc with this rifle. I have taken over 20 deer with it. It has always been an accurate rifle, I was kind of spoiled that way and it has colored my thinking about rifles...... This is the 3rd scope that this rifle has ever worn. The first 2 were fine when they were new, but when you buy cheap it shows by not holding up......

This one may not qualify for the challenge as it has a Boyds Prarie Hunter stock on it. There is a whole story about that, which I really don’t want to get into here, but suffice it to say, I spent $750 on a rifle worth only $450 because it was broken and I HAD to have this rifle repaired for my Kids and Grandkids, from my fathers hand to mine, from mine to my sons, from my sons to my Grandchilds (hopefully)..... It still has the factory bolt, the original barrel (1/2” shorter) & trigger. It started out life as an ADL. It now has a DM.

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Groups;
.356
.361
.444
.488
.506
AVG .431

This rifle behaves almost the same way as the X-Bolt above. The first shot (from cold) is usually about an inch and a half high. The trick with this one is to fire a 5 shot group, let it rest so that it is still warm to the touch, fire 4 shots (good nice tight groups) but the 5th shot is almost always (50% of the time) off the rest of the group by a half inch or so (if not the 5th shot then the 6th shot for sure)..... After that its anybodys guess! It's still a good rifle as it is still minute of deer out to 300y from the first cold shot to the 10th shot!

Fourth and Last rifle;

This is a 338-06 that I had built by Jace Steckle at TNT Gun Works in Regina SK. Remington Model 700 was the base rifle. The only original parts are the bolt, action and the bottom metal (DM). All in I spent WAY more on this than I anticipated when I started. I could have bought a Cooper for less cheddar.....

HS Precision stock, Hart barrel 1:10 twist sporter contour, Extra large recoil lug. Action is bedded in the stock. Scope bases are bedded to the action. Scope bases were lapped. Action was trued. So it isn’t a “factory rifle” anymore, but it looks like one if you can look past the fancy paint on the stock. You may see this one in the Precison rifle thread, but I’m all out of rounds (I guess it's back to to the loading bench!). I did shoot one 5 shot group, but it doesn’t quite measure up...... Oh and its wearing a Redfield 4-12x40 scope. The astute ones will be seeing a simularity between optics......

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The .900 (.562”) group is 5 shots of 250 gr SGK the rest of the 3 shot groups are 225 gr Hornady Interbonds.
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Groups;
.672
.606
.502
.475
.397
Avg. .530

And I'm finally done!

I swear it took me longer to write this up, take pics, load em to photobucket etc than it took me to shoot the groups!

Cheers!
 
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