Does Nobody Want Keltec RFB's Anymore??????

Well, I sold my RFB and bought a XCR-M. In my case the XCR is more accurate but I don't think that's indicative of the guns. Could go either way. I traded mostly because I was used to my XCR-L 6.8 SPC ergonomics and wanted both rifles the same for muscle memory reasons. There is a point when firing too many different types of guns screws your operating speed down a few notches. So for me it was a personal reason. The RFB shot well, handled well, was built well and ran like a top. I also sold my Tavor for the same reason. Too many guns, too many controls was messing with my operating speed.

That being said, I still have my SU-16. I find most of the controls are similar enough I don't get confused running it. Different safety's but mag changes are essentially the same and my mind doesn't get mixed up. Now my Su-16 is also the handiest farm rifle a guy could own. The plastic is more than tough enough unless you treat a black gun different and rougher than a wood gun. Anyone who bangs the crap out of their gun needs to look after it better. But my Su-16, at such a low weight carries like a beauty and shoots damn fine. Minute of beaver and minute of on-the-run coyote is more than attainable. And I aint scared to scratch it...

The Sub2000 just got sold as it's my wifes rifle. I had it in 9mm and it only got sold as she traded he Glock 17 up to a Glock 35 and wants a matching rifle again, so she only has to carry a single magazine type. Again, she had no issues hitting anything and the thing was darn accurate. It digested 9 with never ever a single hiccup. I can't remember that gun even having 1 fail to feed.

My KSG? All I gotta say is it shoots excellent, is made from metal, eat everything (including the 525grn Lyman slugs I load up) and I got one damnit!!

There isn't anything wrong with KelTec products, except our initial offer prices. But hey, that's supply and demand. They'll come down some day...
 
VanIsler said:
Source for the Israeli RFB claim? Smells like Alberta to me...
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I should have clarified that Ive heard this from a few places. But no I can't confirm it. So at this point it is just a rumour. Although one Ive heard from a few places.
 
Dietz said:
Kel-Tec doesn't make any serious use weapon, and I'm just not a hobby gun guy, so no I don't have any interest in this.
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Not meaning to insult, but, what the heck is a 'serious use weapon' are you telling me that, you would be allowed to take this thing to the field if you were deployed? I don't think so, and that goes for any firearm you own. Kel-tec is a civilian use firearm, hunting use mostly, and if you get the target version then it's a much better range gun, that's all it is. The price is the price, there are cheap ARs and there are expensive ones, but they are still ARs and for now restricted, so limited use. When you go to buy a Corvette and drop $100k, you get a great sports car but unless you drop another $200k+ into it, you will not be able to compete in 24h LeMans will you? Even guns like the PGF Timberwolf were only specified to hit a target roughly 14x18 inches at 1200m, but guys are wondering why for $7k + scope they can't make one hole with all 5 shots. I'm sure that if you take an RFB to a good smith and ask him to 'tune' it up, then for another $5-600 and a good scope you will have a sub moa rifle that you can be proud of, if that's your thing. I've found my RFB to be reliable, very easily caried in the bush, quick to point on target, and that's all I need for my use; but I'm sure if I really wanted to I could spend some money and get it to be able to hit a 'squirrel in the eye' if I was even remotely good enough to do that...:)
 
HMMMMM-

A North American 3 year back order -
Israel in negotiations with Kel tec to supply their army - (was supposed to be secret)
Present owners seem very happy with a 1M.O.A. .308 pistol -

Seems like thousands of shooters want it -



Except a few Canadian gunputzers who cant get one -
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Non owners trash it -

HMMMMM-

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I think the point was missed, and yes I was talking about the big boy vette.... $60k just.., ahh never mind, I'm not starting..:)
 
chopper 1 said:
HMMMMM-
Present owners seem very happy with a 1M.O.A. .308 pistol -
Non owners trash it -

HMMMMM-
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Look, far be it from me to tell you what color the sky is - in your world....


For all others thinking of picking up an RFB, it is not a '1 moa gun'. It isn't 1.5, and it isn't a 2 moa gun - not even close ( my judgement of holding a certain accuracy is a 10 round group, being held consistently).
People that have even a sniff of what a rifle can do REALISTICALLY know most here claiming otherwise are full of b/s (ironic considering I was called out). It has proven problematic (in the ONE gun I have experience with, but there are other reports too- do some research).
I certainly can understand the appeal of a handy .308 that takes FAL mags -who couldn't?
People that know me, know I'm not shy on pulling the trigger on the purchase of expensive firearms - especially with my affinity for semi-autos.
Prior to actually firing one, I was very close to purchasing one. After, not so much.
Either way, enjoy your firearms and your (potential) future purchases.
 
dpopl8r said:
what is out there that is so much more that is a .308 semi auto NR ?
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Really? :rolleyes:

The novelty of the bull-pup configuration aside, I'd much rather fork-out bucks for a Springfield M1A.

The clear advantage, is that they have a proven track record, and there's a whole lot of aftermarket parts/accessories for it.
You want to spend more? Get the National Match version. You could even go for a Norc, and dial it up with aftermarket parts (as many on this site have done) - and still have a very decent rifle.

Don't like that idea, get a Remington Model 750 in .308 - less than $1k.....and a damned accurate rifle, I've owned two of them, both the carbine and standard models. There are a number of good quality semi-auto, non-restricted .308 rifles available to Canadian shooters/hunters out there. But many overlook them, cause they don't have the "cool factor" of the RFB. And yes, it is neat looking - but not at all practical for the type of hunting/shooting I do.

IMO, I believe the RFB is only popular because it is different, and has a configuration that is appealing to many. It's popularity is not due to the fact it is a top-end rifle, especially for what your paying for it. There are others that are better, in some cases - much better.

But if you really want one, buy it.



 
Weapontech said:
Really? :rolleyes:

The novelty of the bull-pup configuration aside, I'd much rather fork-out bucks for a Springfield M1A.

The clear advantage, is that they have a proven track record, and there's a whole lot of aftermarket parts/accessories for it.
You want to spend more? Get the National Match version. You could even go for a Norc, and dial it up with aftermarket parts (as many on this site have done) - and still have a very decent rifle.

Don't like that idea, get a Remington Model 750 in .308 - less than $1k.....and a damned accurate rifle, I've owned two of them, both the carbine and standard models. There are a number of good quality semi-auto, non-restricted .308 rifles available to Canadian shooters/hunters out there. But many overlook them, cause they don't have the "cool factor" of the RFB. And yes, it is neat looking - but not at all practical for the type of hunting/shooting I do.

IMO, I believe the RFB is only popular because it is different, and has a configuration that is appealing to many. It's popularity is not due to the fact it is a top-end rifle, especially for what your paying for it. There are others that are better, in some cases - much better.

But if you really want one, buy it.



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it IS a top end rifle..... Seeing as there's nothing to compare it to.

I, and hundreds of others, wanted a large caliber bull pup semi that was legal to hunt with. You can't even remotely compare the M14 platform to the RFB... I have both and can actively compare....do you?


I can't believe how butt hurt some people get about how I choose to spend my money.
 
Weapontech said:
Really? :rolleyes: ...[...].. IMO, I believe the RFB is only popular because it is different, and has a configuration that is appealing to many. It's popularity is not due to the fact it is a top-end rifle, especially for what your paying for it. There are others that are better, in some cases - much better.

But if you really want one, buy it.
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Yes, really! My prime reason for seeking out the RFB is primarily for the .308 and not so 2nd, it's very compact size - to be typically used for still hunting in thick bush and as a non-obtrusive backup rifle when bowhunting in bear country. I have had a couple norc M305s - QC is very poor, even the latest, newest ones that just arrived (I have one), and they are unwieldly and therefore become darn heavy to pack for long hikes. IMO the high dollar Spingfield M1A's are a bigger waste of money than the RFB ever will be. I had a Remington 7400 in 30-06 - a decent rifle but I just could not get along with it so sold it (for very cheap due to lack of interest). I researched the 750, but the reviews I have read are not positive at all, pretty bad actually. I started researching the RFB, and for sure it's expensive, but reports I've read have been very positive indicating it to be a reliable, 1.5-2MOA capable rifle - perfect for my intended use - and I have no doubt I can resell it very easily should I want to. So what the heck, I did buy a RFB yesterday. I need to see for myself if we get along, but for sure, being able to throw it in my backpack, or tool box on my quad appeals to me so much more than the M305 or Remington 7400/750, and even XCR.
 
brandneo said:
I think the point was missed, and yes I was talking about the big boy vette.... $60k just.., ahh never mind, I'm not starting..:)
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Driven those too, and they're nothing to sniff at. The base vette today leaves most of Europe at three times it price in its wake handily, does 0-60 in 4.1, and 2014 brings 450hp base. They are blindingly fast and handle to boot, even at $60,600. PS what do you drive to turn your nose up at the base vette?? :)
 
Wrong Way said:
it IS a top end rifle..... Seeing as there's nothing to compare it to.
I, and hundreds of others, wanted a large caliber bull pup semi that was legal to hunt with. You can't even remotely compare the M14 platform to the RFB... I have both and can actively compare....do you? I can't believe how butt hurt some people get about how I choose to spend my money.
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I think you may have missed the point of my response to dpopl8r.......

He wanted to know; what is out there that is so much more that is a .308 semi auto NR. I offered him (non-bull-pup) alternatives, not
comparisons, and my opinion; that's it. - And you know what they say about opinions.
And to answer your question - yes, I did own an M1A until recently; and did have the opportunity to shoot my brothers' RFB in one range sitting.

Lets just say I wouldn't spend that kind of money on one. But I really don't care if you do, it is after all.....yours to do with what you want.
 
Weapontech said:
And to answer your question - yes, I did own an M1A until recently; and did have the opportunity to shoot my brothers' RFB in one range sitting.

Lets just say I wouldn't spend that kind of money on one. But I really don't care if you do, it is after all.....yours to do with what you want.
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fair enough....I prefer the M14 at the range as well. Now, to see where I'm coming from, hump 10 miles of thick Boreal and cedar swamp with each and tell me which one you'd prefer :)
 
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