tavor accuracy

[Teletraan]

anyone got anything good to say in the 100 yard accuracy of the NR tavor i thinking it may be a good yote gun

also how are you guys adjusting to it i mean im used to normal rifles and shotguns and have a longer length of pull at something like 14.75"

The accuracy of the Tavor is good @ 100 yards.

What bullet weight would you use on a yote? And on varmints?
I have stopped buying factory ammo, but I have 2-3 boxes of winchester hp and ballistic silvertip left. I plan to shoot a few groups today...

I like a short lop. But the Tavor fits me like a glove. The rifles ergonomics and layout are no question better than anything I have ever used IMHO. The rfb(that I love ) stock is rigid and hard feeling. The Tavors stock feels like it moulds to me. I didn't immediately notice this when I purchased last year. But now I am taking the Tavor out of the safe for every occasion.

 

[Farmer Harv]

Shooting cheap fodder usually means 55 grain ammo. Old mini 14 is 1:10, newer is 1:9 I recall? With my Swiss arms 55 fodder shoots 2moa or more. With it's 1:10 twist rate 62 American eagle shot 1 moa. The Tavor is a 1:7 twist. Consider that AR rifles have gone from 1:12 to 1:9 some at 1:8 and now the common standard of 1:7. My guess is you'll need to be in the 70s for best accuracy ammo in a Tavor. Even then CL barrel so don't expect 1moa accuracy. 1.5 would be fair.

While bullet weight can be a factor, my current Tavor is pretty consistent with everything from 45 (Winchester HP) to 62 (Swiss) to 75 grains (Hornady Steel Match) and everything in between in a factory offering. I haven't tried any "premium" ammo or working up a load though, as that would take away from the cheap fun factor.

My Rem 700 bolt with a 1:9 twist also bucks the bullet weight theory by shooting the 45gr hollow points into less than 1.25" at 100 all day long, which is better than any factory ammo I tried in it also. Sure it shoots 69gr SMK handloads into half of that easily, but I don't think that's just because of the bullet weight.

And as far as the trigger affecting groups off the bench, if the rifle is properly supported and bagged the trigger should have little influence on the groups at 100. Over the hood of the truck or just prone or offhand the pull will definitely mess with you, but if the rifle is solid on the bench it won't affect the group size by any amount to matter.

 

[rally guy]

What I tell to people is with MOST firearm a certain degree of accuracy is attainable. Don't by one type of ammo try it in your gun and say what a piece of crap! If its a ar, tavlr, rfb , mini 14, etc... go true 5, 6 what ever is needed type of ammo until you find what your gun likes. And it not cause billy bob got the same ar as you and is like that type of ammo that your will like the same! I give you an example; me and my dad a coule of year ago each bouth a min 14 stainless, brand new from the same store 2 weeks appart my dads mini seems to like winchester 55 gr. White box, it will only do 2-4 moe , between 5-6 kind of bullet we tryd that's the best it got, mine with the same ammo would be worst! But with federal v-shock 55 gr. It would print 1.5-2.5 , but my dads min 14 would be much worst with the v-shock.

My ddm4v5 shoot 6-12 moa with 55gr norinco but 1-2 with winchester 55gr. White box.


Lesson here Don't say your gun or a friends gun is crap of there no load development donne or multiple ammo weight and brand tryd.

 

[Aries-]

You also have to take into account what kind of scope you are using. if you are using the stock sight, or an elcan the dot in the crosshairs is 3 or more MOA. you cant shoot less than the MOA of your sight. so if you have a chunky Bushnel red dot with a 5moa dot. and you are getting a 5 inch group at 100 yards, well that's what you are going to get. if you are shooting ammo that the gun isnt designed to shoot. it will not shoot as well as it should. (with a 1 in 7 twist you need a longer heavier bullet) a 55 grain might shoot great in a 1 in 12 that's what it is designed for. a 1 in 7 wont shoot it as good as a 65 grain to 75 grain. you have to do your part to make the gun shoot accurately if you dont it will only shoot as well as you can shoot.

 

[JBD]

I am using an LMT tactical rear iron sight and a utg front sight. These groups both measured 1.75 Inches and were shot at 100 yards.

I do not know if this is the limit for accuracy for the tavor it is probably the limit of my accuracy with a standard aperture sight and front post. I have shot my share of AR and the Tavor shoots as well as most.

 

[beltfed]

You also have to take into account what kind of scope you are using. if you are using the stock sight, or an elcan the dot in the crosshairs is 3 or more MOA. you cant shoot less than the MOA of your sight. so if you have a chunky Bushnel red dot with a 5moa dot. and you are getting a 5 inch group at 100 yards, well that's what you are going to get. if you are shooting ammo that the gun isnt designed to shoot. it will not shoot as well as it should. (with a 1 in 7 twist you need a longer heavier bullet) a 55 grain might shoot great in a 1 in 12 that's what it is designed for. a 1 in 7 wont shoot it as good as a 65 grain to 75 grain. you have to do your part to make the gun shoot accurately if you dont it will only shoot as well as you can shoot.

Sighting systems have no bearing on the mechanical accuracy of a rifle (and I dare say in some instances, practical accuracy too). The rifle you use with iron sights will have the same accuracy potential as if you use a scope (all things being equal and the same ammunition used). Obviously the limiting factors of any firearm is the ammunition used and the shooter - that goes without saying.

 

[Aries-]

Sighting systems have no bearing on the mechanical accuracy of a rifle (and I dare say in some instances, practical accuracy too). The rifle you use with iron sights will have the same accuracy potential as if you use a scope (all things being equal and the same ammunition used). Obviously the limiting factors of any firearm is the ammunition used and the shooter - that goes without saying.

potential yes. but if your sight covers 5 inches at 100 yards. how on earth are you going to get it in the same spot all the time. you cant. so you cant expect something to hit accurately with an inacurate sighting system.

 

[Farmer Harv]

potential yes. but if your sight covers 5 inches at 100 yards. how on earth are you going to get it in the same spot all the time. you cant. so you cant expect something to hit accurately with an inacurate sighting system.

If you have a 5MOA dot covering a 5 inch bullseye at 100 yards it's very easy to keep a consistent point of aim, just as with a 1MOA dot and a one inch bull.

 

[Epoxy7]

While bullet weight can be a factor, my current Tavor is pretty consistent with everything from 45 (Winchester HP) to 62 (Swiss) to 75 grains (Hornady Steel Match) and everything in between in a factory offering. I haven't tried any "premium" ammo or working up a load though, as that would take away from the cheap fun factor.

My Rem 700 bolt with a 1:9 twist also bucks the bullet weight theory by shooting the 45gr hollow points into less than 1.25" at 100 all day long, which is better than any factory ammo I tried in it also. Sure it shoots 69gr SMK handloads into half of that easily, but I don't think that's just because of the bullet weight.

And as far as the trigger affecting groups off the bench, if the rifle is properly supported and bagged the trigger should have little influence on the groups at 100. Over the hood of the truck or just prone or offhand the pull will definitely mess with you, but if the rifle is solid on the bench it won't affect the group size by any amount to matter.

Actually you're 1:9 doesn't really buck the trend. There are two ways to go, heavier ie 62-69 for that twist or lighter and faster. I shoot 52 grain out of my 1:9 CZ527 kevlar. It hates 55 grain. The lighter rounds with higher velocity seem to work too. You can see the same thing with a 1:10 twist 308. You can shoot 168-180 or you can shoot the much lighter and faster 155 Palma rounds. This is a common occurrence. Much like the two velocity nodes for accuracy when reloading.

Some rifles are easier to set up properly with bags. I'll try the mag trick suggested in the RFB thread. A nice light and smooth trigger seems to help minimize any potential movement induced by the shooter. But then again Im willing to concede that I should probably work on the front and back bags. Up North there was a fantastic front bag at the range. Handmade, just the right height etc. Worked great. Some douche bag stole it. My Cadwel one sucks in comparison.

 

[beltfed]

potential yes. but if your sight covers 5 inches at 100 yards. how on earth are you going to get it in the same spot all the time. you cant. so you cant expect something to hit accurately with an inacurate sighting system.

Yes one can get into the same spot all of the time, and yes one can shoot accurately with iron sights.
It's called repeatability, and is a core skill used in principles of marksmanship.
How do you think full bore shooters shoot accurately out to 1000m with iron sights?

 

[Aries-]

Yes one can get into the same spot all of the time, and yes one can shoot accurately with iron sights.
It's called repeatability, and is a core skill used in principles of marksmanship.
How do you think full bore shooters shoot accurately out to 1000m with iron sights?

you are comparing a tuned target rifle to a battle rifle. the tavor or any without a floated barrel has much smaller repeatability. and that is also the shooter for the 1000 yard iron sights. give that same gun to a general hunter and they would be lucky to hit something out to 400 yards. if the dot covers your whole aiming point it is very difficult for a general shooter to have any form of consistency over the size of the retical.

Farmer. that depends if the retical is transparent. if the target is smaller than the 5moa retical and you cant see through it it is difficult. the O retical on the tavor is not the easiest as in the sunlight it blinds you.

 

[MUGEN]

AFAIK usually the sight or rail is mounted directly on top of the barrel assembly (at least the eariler generation is) If the mounting for whatever reason not being consistent shot after shot will this cause the poi to shift? Does it shot better without anything mounted on it for example using the BUIS.

 

[beltfed]

you are comparing a tuned target rifle to a battle rifle. the tavor or any without a floated barrel has much smaller repeatability. and that is also the shooter for the 1000 yard iron sights. give that same gun to a general hunter and they would be lucky to hit something out to 400 yards. if the dot covers your whole aiming point it is very difficult for a general shooter to have any form of consistency over the size of the retical.

Separating shooting style and ammunition from the equation, the principle is the same be it a 30" heavy barrel that is floated or a 10" carbine or even a pistol.

 

[antiqueguy]

ammo i dont know yet me being a reloader helps i was thnking if i got a rifle set up for .223/5.56 then id have to get a swaging set up for rimfire jackets (.22 lr cases can be formed into jackets for .223 bullets) but learning it has a 1 in 7 twist stops that idea since the bullet would rotate it self apart due to the thin jacket

what other NR rifles in .223/5.56 take ar mags

 

[Teletraan]

ammo i dont know yet me being a reloader helps i was thnking if i got a rifle set up for .223/5.56 then id have to get a swaging set up for rimfire jackets (.22 lr cases can be formed into jackets for .223 bullets) but learning it has a 1 in 7 twist stops that idea since the bullet would rotate it self apart due to the thin jacket

what other NR rifles in .223/5.56 take ar mags

I think it's worth a try. We don't have to push it 3600 fps maybe we can find something that works in the Tavor. Where to buy?

 

[antiqueguy]

I think it's worth a try. We don't have to push it 3600 fps maybe we can find something that works in the Tavor. Where to buy?

corbin swage in the US its not cheap thsats why i need a reason to have it problem is the rimfire jackets are thin and dont like really fast twist when they hit a target they act like a frangable lead shot as a bullet core maked it even better ammosmith has some videos on this

 

[AOWM]

Today I shot a 1.6" five shot group@100yrds with ironsights other groups also looked promising but will have to do more testing as I cant realy call my shots at that distance without a least some magnification the load was 60gr vmax and 25.25gr IMR4064

 

[RemingtonXCRCT]

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[zupermann]

The best loads showed just under 2 moa in mine, but the average factory loadings were more like 3-5 moa-ish (off a bench). For this reason Ive delegated the Tavor (together with it's length) for a CQB role.

 

[notsorichguy]

My father once shot a clover leaf (3 rounds touching) at 100 yards with handloads out of his aug and it's simple 1.5 power sight. so I don't think I'd be Putting all bullpups in that category.

Do that twice more.

Video tape it, take pictures and post both here.

That I will accept as a true test of your dads guns accuracy....... Your above post only proves that the sun does shine on a dogs azz from time to time.

I shot 3 into a clover leaf one time with my Tavor with cheap chineese surplus, unfortunately the first and fifth shots of that group were 2" away from the other 3....... And I have a picture of that in a Tavor thread on this site.....